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| ...is easily the cheapest bill I pay: an average of $17 a month. I don't even have a cell phone. If I want to communicate with my family, I can do it by instant messaging on the internet. | |
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Want a hybrid? Pay more for the car and gas... (where are the savings, really?) It depends on what you are now driving, what it's worth on a trade in, and what gas prices have to get to to make the gas savings of a hybrid worth while. I will save about $160 a month at $4.00 a gallon. It will be $203 a month at $5,00 a gallon ( next Year ? ) How much will a new car creally cost ?
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 28, 2008 7:50 am) Edit....OK, found it in the article you linked: "Indeed, Honda cannot sell the high-efficiency Civic VX in California, where current clean-air rules are most stringent. Instead, Honda will sell a Civic VX in that state with less fuel-efficient engines" VTEC-E created such lean-burn conditions that NOx emissions were often very high. So they tweaked it for California, which is why the model here was only rated 43/51, and the federal model was rated 48/55 (per your NY Times article). Funnily enough, when that model was introduced, Congress was considering raising CAFE standards again, and the domestics were ticked off that Honda had produced a 50 mpg car with no extraordinary measures, proving that there were less barriers to raising fuel economy standards than they claimed.  Now ask Honda how many they sold. The VX got pulled after one generation - that was the hatchback. The coupe, labelled HX, soldiered on until 2005, but never sold well, not the entire time. The funny thing was it was scheduled for termination by Honda about a year before Katrina and the huge rises in gas prices. I am convinced that were they still selling an HX coupe today, it would be ROCKETING off dealer lots. Its price was still only around $15K when they discontinued it in 2005. |
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Replying to: pat85 (Apr 28, 2008 8:50 am) The induced electromagnetic force or EMF in any closed circuit is equal to the time rate of change of the magnetic flux linking the circuit. He doesn't mention penetrating steel but you're probably right. BTW, "The intelligence of the universe is a constant. The population is increasing." should certainly be a recognized law! 
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Replying to: pat85 (Apr 28, 2008 9:37 am) This is the thing, a new Yukon is about $30k... Most people can afford that. The hybrid is $50k. Thats a pretty big jump from being on the affordable level and being way out of budget for alot of people. Its the principal cost of the car. So, can you spend $50k now... or have to deal with the price of fuel because $20k more financing is ridiculous to you. From my standpoint in the industry I am in, most people are just buying cars right now and saving money on the purchase price... Not to try and save the environment, not to save money in the future. The economy is hurting right now, and they need to save money right now even if that means buy a car thats less efficient for the future.
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Get ready for another economic shock of major proportions — a virtual doubling of prices at the gas pump to as much as $10 a gallon. That's the message from a couple of analytical energy industry trackers, both of whom, based on the surging oil prices, see considerably more pain at the pump than most drivers realize. Gasoline nationally is in an accelerated upswing, having jumped to $3.58 a gallon from $3.50 in just the past week. In some parts of the country, including New York City and the West Coast, gas is already sporting a price tag above $4 a gallon. There was a pray-in at a Chevron station in San Francisco on Friday led by a minister asking God for cheaper gas, and an Arco gas station in San Mateo, Calif., has already raised its price to a sky-high $4.62. His latest prediction of $200 oil is open to question, since it would undoubtedly create considerable global economic distress. Further, just about every energy expert I talk to cautions me to expect a sizable pullback in oil prices, maybe to between $50 and $70 a barrel, especially if there's a global economic slowdown. http://www2.nysun.com/article/75363 How much can someone making shoes for 50 cents an hour afford to pay for gas? We are already seeing our system crumbling under the weight of high priced oil. The thing to remember "what goes up, must come down". |
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Replying to: lmpracetech (Apr 28, 2008 10:44 am) Producing retrofit kits would not be too difficult. This would create jobs, revitalize our economy and make a now derelict and undervalued part of our nation, due to outsourcing, a once again thriving community with a sense of pride.
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 28, 2008 11:14 am) Not if a bunch of suckers prove that they'll sell their children in order to pay the bill as it stands. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 28, 2008 11:14 am)
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Replying to: lmpracetech (Apr 28, 2008 10:44 am) If you need the towing capacity, fine, but how about a Highlander/Edge type vehicle for $30k? Gets the mileage of the Yukon hybrid...
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