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10042 messages, Last post on Jul 12, 2008 at 3:07 PM
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Why is Diesel fuel at $4.33 right now? This is crazy, its making our food we eat much more expensive and the travel we do by RV much more expensive. My grandparents are cutting down, well all the people they travel with are cutting down all the smaller trips they take in their Diesel RV because they have to save more to go on longer trips... This is hurting the economy badly in the sense that they are not spending any of the money they would have at restraints and RV parks throughout the county. I am guessing that this is happening more and more for people that usually take vacations frequently. I am tired of this oil war... Want a hybrid? Pay more for the car and gas... (where are the savings, really?) Have a diesel? Pay more... don't go on vacation. Electric? Cant take that to Vegas... Anything out there appealing to me? No.
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I bought a Toyota Camry Hybrid. The huge magnetic fields generated by the batteries and electric motor in the Hybrid have made my daughter's hamster change from sleeping in the North-East corner of the cage to now sleeping in the South -West corner. BTW the electric motor is under the hood in front of the engine. According to Farraday's law, no electric field can penetrate steel. The reason automobiles are one of the safest place in a lightning storm is because of Farraday's law. The cables from the electric motor to the batteries have one positive and one negative connection or current would not flow. This means that any magnetic fields generated would self cancel;. The strength of the field at the Earth's surface ranges from less than 30 microteslas (0.3 gauss) in an area including most of South America and South Africa to over 60 microteslas (0.6 gauss) around the magnetic poles in northern Canada and south of Australia, and in part of Siberia. .3 gauss is 300 milli- Gauss. .6 Gauss is 600 milli- Gauss. Just what was the level of milli- Gauss that made that dude sell his hybrid. 100 to 120 milli- Gauss. He was no doubt measuring the earth's field I have a theory :. The intelligence of the universe is a constant. The population is increasing.
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 28, 2008 8:36 am) Actually, the NY Times did not post that ridiculous article on this forum. You Did. Gary says, "Just how many millions of hybrid owners would that be?" Um, more than 1 and less than 2. An answer which you know full well. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 28, 2008 8:40 am) My kid's only failed when they were in the Gulf between Keys--actually out on a sailboat traveling from Seabase for a scout trip to Key West. Guess there wasn't a tower nearby in the water between Keys. |
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| ...is easily the cheapest bill I pay: an average of $17 a month. I don't even have a cell phone. If I want to communicate with my family, I can do it by instant messaging on the internet. | |
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Want a hybrid? Pay more for the car and gas... (where are the savings, really?) It depends on what you are now driving, what it's worth on a trade in, and what gas prices have to get to to make the gas savings of a hybrid worth while. I will save about $160 a month at $4.00 a gallon. It will be $203 a month at $5,00 a gallon ( next Year ? ) How much will a new car creally cost ?
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 28, 2008 7:50 am) Edit....OK, found it in the article you linked: "Indeed, Honda cannot sell the high-efficiency Civic VX in California, where current clean-air rules are most stringent. Instead, Honda will sell a Civic VX in that state with less fuel-efficient engines" VTEC-E created such lean-burn conditions that NOx emissions were often very high. So they tweaked it for California, which is why the model here was only rated 43/51, and the federal model was rated 48/55 (per your NY Times article). Funnily enough, when that model was introduced, Congress was considering raising CAFE standards again, and the domestics were ticked off that Honda had produced a 50 mpg car with no extraordinary measures, proving that there were less barriers to raising fuel economy standards than they claimed.  Now ask Honda how many they sold. The VX got pulled after one generation - that was the hatchback. The coupe, labelled HX, soldiered on until 2005, but never sold well, not the entire time. The funny thing was it was scheduled for termination by Honda about a year before Katrina and the huge rises in gas prices. I am convinced that were they still selling an HX coupe today, it would be ROCKETING off dealer lots. Its price was still only around $15K when they discontinued it in 2005. |
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Replying to: pat85 (Apr 28, 2008 8:50 am) The induced electromagnetic force or EMF in any closed circuit is equal to the time rate of change of the magnetic flux linking the circuit. He doesn't mention penetrating steel but you're probably right. BTW, "The intelligence of the universe is a constant. The population is increasing." should certainly be a recognized law! 
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Replying to: pat85 (Apr 28, 2008 9:37 am) This is the thing, a new Yukon is about $30k... Most people can afford that. The hybrid is $50k. Thats a pretty big jump from being on the affordable level and being way out of budget for alot of people. Its the principal cost of the car. So, can you spend $50k now... or have to deal with the price of fuel because $20k more financing is ridiculous to you. From my standpoint in the industry I am in, most people are just buying cars right now and saving money on the purchase price... Not to try and save the environment, not to save money in the future. The economy is hurting right now, and they need to save money right now even if that means buy a car thats less efficient for the future.
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Get ready for another economic shock of major proportions — a virtual doubling of prices at the gas pump to as much as $10 a gallon. That's the message from a couple of analytical energy industry trackers, both of whom, based on the surging oil prices, see considerably more pain at the pump than most drivers realize. Gasoline nationally is in an accelerated upswing, having jumped to $3.58 a gallon from $3.50 in just the past week. In some parts of the country, including New York City and the West Coast, gas is already sporting a price tag above $4 a gallon. There was a pray-in at a Chevron station in San Francisco on Friday led by a minister asking God for cheaper gas, and an Arco gas station in San Mateo, Calif., has already raised its price to a sky-high $4.62. His latest prediction of $200 oil is open to question, since it would undoubtedly create considerable global economic distress. Further, just about every energy expert I talk to cautions me to expect a sizable pullback in oil prices, maybe to between $50 and $70 a barrel, especially if there's a global economic slowdown. http://www2.nysun.com/article/75363 How much can someone making shoes for 50 cents an hour afford to pay for gas? We are already seeing our system crumbling under the weight of high priced oil. The thing to remember "what goes up, must come down". |
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