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Money for phones by kernick
Apr 28, 2008 (8:25 am)
It seems that the people of Australia are not putting too much of their budgets into gasoline. With all the money they're spending on phones ...
 
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/telecom/2008-04-28-australia-cell-peopl- e_N.htm
 
What's the average cell phone bill? $30/month? or $360/year which could go towards gasoline.
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Re: Save fuel or save your little grey cells??? [larsb] by gagrice
Apr 28, 2008 (8:36 am)

Replying to: larsb (Apr 28, 2008 7:50 am)

You need to take your rant up with the NY Times, not me. This is not the first case of illness blamed on EMF. There are 3 quoted in this article and others have brought it up on Edmund's only to be pushed aside as wacko hybrid haters. Your protest of the NY Times article is noted:
 
Take it from the millions of owners who are not showing ill effects rather than the one who said it made her "sleepy."
  
Just how many millions of hybrid owners would that be?
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Re: Money for phones [kernick] by gagrice
Apr 28, 2008 (8:40 am)

Replying to: kernick (Apr 28, 2008 8:25 am)

I would say our average is way over $30 per month. I just bought my wife a phone and signed up at Costco. The Cheapest at&t rate was $29.95 per month. Just for basic phone with 200 minutes per month. That being about 180 more than she uses. Yes we waste a lot of money on worthless gadgets every month. Wonder if a lot of phones get disconnected when people decide between having a phone or driving their car?
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$4.33... by lmpracetech
Apr 28, 2008 (8:46 am)
Why is Diesel fuel at $4.33 right now?
This is crazy, its making our food we eat much more expensive and the travel we do by RV much more expensive.
My grandparents are cutting down, well all the people they travel with are cutting down all the smaller trips they take in their Diesel RV because they have to save more to go on longer trips... This is hurting the economy badly in the sense that they are not spending any of the money they would have at restraints and RV parks throughout the county. I am guessing that this is happening more and more for people that usually take vacations frequently.
I am tired of this oil war...
Want a hybrid? Pay more for the car and gas... (where are the savings, really?)
Have a diesel? Pay more... don't go on vacation.
Electric? Cant take that to Vegas... Anything out there appealing to me? No.
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E.M. F. of Hybrids by pat85
Apr 28, 2008 (8:50 am)
I bought a Toyota Camry Hybrid.
The huge magnetic fields generated by the batteries and electric motor in the Hybrid have made my daughter's hamster change from sleeping in the North-East corner of the cage to now sleeping in the South -West corner.
 
BTW the electric motor is under the hood in front of the engine. According to Farraday's law, no electric field can penetrate steel.
The reason automobiles are one of the safest place in a lightning storm is because of Farraday's law.
  The cables from the electric motor to the batteries have one positive and one negative connection or current would not flow. This means that any magnetic fields generated would self cancel;.
 
The strength of the field at the Earth's surface ranges from less than 30 microteslas (0.3 gauss) in an area including most of South America and South Africa to over 60 microteslas (0.6 gauss) around the magnetic poles in northern Canada and south of Australia, and in part of Siberia. .3 gauss is 300 milli- Gauss. .6 Gauss is 600 milli- Gauss. Just what was the level of milli- Gauss that made that dude sell his hybrid. 100 to 120 milli- Gauss. He was no doubt measuring the earth's field
 
I have a theory :.
The intelligence of the universe is a constant. The population is increasing.
 
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Re: Save fuel or save your little grey cells??? [gagrice] by larsb
Apr 28, 2008 (8:51 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Apr 28, 2008 8:36 am)

Gary says, "You need to take your rant up with the NY Times, not me."
 
Actually, the NY Times did not post that ridiculous article on this forum. You Did.
 
Gary says, "Just how many millions of hybrid owners would that be?"
 
Um, more than 1 and less than 2. An answer which you know full well.
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Re: Money for phones [gagrice] by imidazol97
Apr 28, 2008 (9:01 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Apr 28, 2008 8:40 am)

I'd suggest a Tracfone. You can get a phone plus a year's use and 400-600 minutes for about $110 including tax and shipping. Or you can go for 800 minutes plus maybe 200 bonus and double minutes if you purchase extra through the year for $150.
 
My kid's only failed when they were in the Gulf between Keys--actually out on a sailboat traveling from Seabase for a scout trip to Key West. Guess there wasn't a tower nearby in the water between Keys.
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My phone bill... by lemko
Apr 28, 2008 (9:30 am)
...is easily the cheapest bill I pay: an average of $17 a month. I don't even have a cell phone. If I want to communicate with my family, I can do it by instant messaging on the internet.
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Cost of Hybrid and gas by pat85
Apr 28, 2008 (9:37 am)
Want a hybrid? Pay more for the car and gas... (where are the savings, really?)
It depends on what you are now driving, what it's worth on a trade in, and what gas prices have to get to to make the gas savings of a hybrid worth while.
 I will save about $160 a month at $4.00 a gallon.
It will be $203 a month at $5,00 a gallon ( next Year ? )
How much will a new car creally cost ?
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Re: Ouch.. [steve_] by nippononly
Apr 28, 2008 (10:03 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Apr 28, 2008 7:50 am)

Well I almost bought a VX in '93 (I'm in California) so there's something that needs clarifying about that tidbit. I think it had the same powertrain as the HX coupe, which was sold all along until they killed it in 2005 to make way for the hybrid.
 
Edit....OK, found it in the article you linked: "Indeed, Honda cannot sell the high-efficiency Civic VX in California, where current clean-air rules are most stringent. Instead, Honda will sell a Civic VX in that state with less fuel-efficient engines"
 
VTEC-E created such lean-burn conditions that NOx emissions were often very high. So they tweaked it for California, which is why the model here was only rated 43/51, and the federal model was rated 48/55 (per your NY Times article).
 
Funnily enough, when that model was introduced, Congress was considering raising CAFE standards again, and the domestics were ticked off that Honda had produced a 50 mpg car with no extraordinary measures, proving that there were less barriers to raising fuel economy standards than they claimed.
 
Now ask Honda how many they sold. The VX got pulled after one generation - that was the hatchback. The coupe, labelled HX, soldiered on until 2005, but never sold well, not the entire time. The funny thing was it was scheduled for termination by Honda about a year before Katrina and the huge rises in gas prices. I am convinced that were they still selling an HX coupe today, it would be ROCKETING off dealer lots. Its price was still only around $15K when they discontinued it in 2005.

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