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Re: $7 a gallon will be here in 2011, prepare thyselves.. [flash11] by tedebear
Apr 27, 2008 (1:29 pm)

Replying to: flash11 (Apr 27, 2008 6:25 am)

Get a bicycle or ride the bus just in case the new types of cars break down
 
I suspect many people already have a bike. However, they probably leave it hanging on the garage wall with the tires dry-rotting. Until $7/gallon gas prices start hitting them more in the wallet the majority will see that bike as a toy instead of a way to save lots of money, both is fuel costs and health club memberships.
 
In the meantime I will continue to read stories of people who drive 4 miles to work each and every day.
 
I have an adult cycling friend with a full-time job on the east coast whose tag line reads "Car-free in PA." Not a bad idea, although grocery shopping might be a little limited.
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The problem with electrics is by euphonium
Apr 27, 2008 (3:18 pm)
they don't have the sound of the conventional V8 throbbing through a pair of Flowmasters.
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your childrens safety by scottinky
Apr 27, 2008 (3:25 pm)
you advocate riding a bike with two small children among a slew of
asshole driver's on the road? Get Real. If your single and live reasonable close to work, bike away, if you have a family, your stuck driving.
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Re: $7 a gallon will be here in 2011, prepare thyselves.. [tedebear] by andre1969
Apr 27, 2008 (3:34 pm)

Replying to: tedebear (Apr 27, 2008 1:29 pm)

In the meantime I will continue to read stories of people who drive 4 miles to work each and every day.
 
Hey, I resemble that! If it's any consolation, when you live that close to work, it's not like you're using that much gasoline anyway...even if you drive a guzzler. And I actually would consider riding my bike to work if it were safer.
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Re: $7 a gallon will be here in 2011, prepare thyselves.. [tedebear] by ny540i6
Apr 27, 2008 (4:01 pm)

Replying to: tedebear (Apr 27, 2008 1:29 pm)

I have an adult cycling friend with a full-time job on the east coast whose tag line reads "Car-free in PA." Not a bad idea, although grocery shopping might be a little limited.
 
I'd love biking to work - except I work out of my home office . Actually, the practicality for those with office type jobs is not there, or at least at many businesses. When I worked for a corporation in lower Manhattan, and had satellite offices, I sometimes biked to an office, however I had the luxury of an enclosed office where I could park my bike - In fact, I also had two techs who biked in.
 
A major issue is well, I sweat when I ride, and had no shower facilities at the office. We've not done a great job of bike friendly infrastructure though.
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Re: $7 a gallon will be here in 2011, prepare thyselves.. [ny540i6] by ronsmith38
Apr 27, 2008 (4:12 pm)

Replying to: ny540i6 (Apr 27, 2008 4:01 pm)

For those who can, the best option is to not go to work at all. Telecommute!
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Re: your childrens safety [scottinky] by tedebear
Apr 27, 2008 (4:38 pm)

Replying to: scottinky (Apr 27, 2008 3:25 pm)

If your single and live reasonable close to work, bike away, if you have a family, your stuck driving.
 
No I'm not. I'm married and I have a daughter but I don't bring her to work with me. I don't see how having a family has anything to do with whether someone pedals to work.
 
It's a 34-mile RT commute for me, family or not.
 
If I could get something going like the person who posted the other day that his employer pays the workers $4/day to take mass transit or other economical transportation things would be even greater. Why not get paid for something I'm already doing for free.
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Re: $7 a gallon will be here in 2011, prepare thyselves.. [andre1969] by tedebear
Apr 27, 2008 (4:43 pm)

Replying to: andre1969 (Apr 27, 2008 3:34 pm)

And I actually would consider riding my bike to work if it were safer.
 
Yes, I remember the dangerous route you mentioned. There are some areas areas around where I live that are legally okay to ride on but I sure wouldn't do it, especially during afternoon rush hour.
 
Fortunately, there are several different options for me.
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Re: Record Oil Price [gagrice] by avalon02wh
Apr 27, 2008 (5:06 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Apr 27, 2008 8:22 am)

I agree it sounds high but that is what the EIA is reporting. I knew this because I just did a presentation on oil supply and demand to a bunch of geologists. It was in the presentation. Thanks should go to the oildrum folks for pointing it out. The link we give you a much nicer looking table.
 
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/perfpro/tab12.htm
 
Table 12. Total Production Costs by Region for FRS
                 Companies, 2003-2005 and 2004-2006
                 (2006 Dollars per Barrel of Oil Equivalent)
Region 2003- 2005 2004- 2006 Percent Change
United States
  Onshore 14.00 19.46 39.0
  Offshore 50.56 69.75 37.9
    Total United States 16.70 23.16 38.7
Foreign
  Canada 23.84 26.59 11.5
  Europe 16.43 29.79 81.3
  Former Soviet Union 21.29 NM NM
  Africa 22.26 32.13 44.3
  Middle East 9.78 14.31 46.4
  Other Eastern Hemisphere 14.98 18.76 25.2
  Other Western Hemisphere 31.06 47.63 53.4
    Total Foreign 18.33 26.17 42.8
 
Worldwide 17.45 24.29 39.2
 
As to costs for producing the oil sands, I'm thinking they are around $30/barrel. New production has slowed somewhat with higher costs and Alberta is looking at raising tax rates.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_Tar_Sands
http://www.energy.gov.ab.ca/oilsands/954.asp
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Re: $7 a gallon will be here in 2011, prepare thyselves.. [flash11] by avalon02wh
Apr 27, 2008 (5:29 pm)

Replying to: flash11 (Apr 27, 2008 6:25 am)

$7 a gallon is coming, inflation guarantees that at some point in the distant future it will reach that price.
 
As to it reaching $7 in the near future, I would say maybe and no. Maybe because prices can always go high for a short period. Prices are not likely to stay at $7 for any length of time. A price of $7 a gallon would imply a price of over $300 a barrel for oil. That will not happen. Let me repeat, that will not happen. Countries that subsidize oil would be forced to drop the subsidy and raise prices. Demand would drop like a stone in water.
 
Many countries are already hanging by a thread. Go to http://energyshortage.org/
 
$7 a gallon in the next few years? I have a better chance of being attacked by the bogeyman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

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