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Re: Record Oil Price [bpizzuti] by 07997turbo
Apr 23, 2008 (9:18 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Apr 23, 2008 7:55 am)

and it re-invested a good portion of that in research and exploration. The price of oil is directly linked to the devaluation of the dollar against other world currencies as well as increased demand from emerging market countries like China, India etc.
 
Bernnke needs to stop dropping the fed funds rate and start inching it back up. Wall Street has finally calmed down and is trading within a reasonable range. Banks have taken their losses (Most of them imaginary due to ARMS resets that they wont be getting)
 
Lets get back on track with the dollar index and Oil will settle back down.
 
PS. I am already paying near $4/gal as my car can only use 91 octane and above.
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Re: Record Oil Price [bpizzuti] by oldfarmer50
Apr 23, 2008 (9:24 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Apr 23, 2008 2:25 am)

"...they were manipulated, mislead and misinformed by unscrupulous companies selling mortgages..."
 
Didn't these folks retain a lawyer to make sure that didn't happen? Who buy's a million dollars worth of real estate without making sure you understand what's going on?
 
As to the people's failure to anticipate the rise in gas prices I don't think it's too common to consult commodities experts before you buy a car. In hindsight, maybe we should have.
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Re: Record Oil Price [oldfarmer50] by kernick
Apr 23, 2008 (9:47 am)

Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Apr 23, 2008 9:24 am)

As to the people's failure to anticipate the rise in gas prices I don't think it's too common to consult commodities experts before you buy a car.
 
The mistake people make is not to plan for possible negative setbacks. Many people will spend whatever you give them, setting up a lifestyle they can not afford if they lose a job, or prices go up.
 
Then you have another group of people who think they're going to get out of high school, have no better skills than someone in Mexico making $1.50/hr, and have this expectation or assume a right to a middle-class lifestyle. Maybe they start a family too young, or keep having kids until they need charity. Maybe they expect to take 2 trips a year to the Caribbean, even though they're using credit cards. I really think people need to be held accountable for their choices. Either make choices to spend less, delay the family, work more jobs, get a good business going or something.
 
IT really isn't my problem if you don't plan, so that you're not spending 100+% of what you earn. You really need to setup your life so that you have extra money each money, and have savings. Many of us work hard, are smart with our money, and plan for a rainy day.
 
I guess there's no cure for "Not Smart" or "Lazy".
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Re: Record Oil Price [oldfarmer50] by bpizzuti
Apr 23, 2008 (9:51 am)

Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Apr 23, 2008 9:24 am)

Didn't these folks retain a lawyer to make sure that didn't happen?
 
From what I hear, in NYS anyway, is that there's a lawyer on each side. One for the seller, one for the buyer. The one for the buyer can be (and in many cases is) provided by the bank or mortgage provider, and CAN BE THE SAME AS THE LAWYER FOR THE SELLER!!
 
So can you guess what these particular lawyers are going to tell people who don't understand what's going on?
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Re: Record Oil Price [steve_] by texases
Apr 23, 2008 (10:09 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Apr 23, 2008 8:27 am)

"There's oil and gas in that field and the state thinks that the oil from the gas condensates could have gotten to market decades ago. Not to mention that Exxon hasn't done any exploration there since '82. "
 
One thing you can count on from Exxon - they'll do projects that make money. Their lack of development of Pt. Thomson is a good indicator it's not a very attractive project without a gas pipeline. It's expensive to develop a field if you have to reinject all the produced gas. Maybe it makes sense at $100/bbl, but we've only recently gotten to these prices.
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Re: Record Oil Price [texases] by steve_ HOST
Apr 23, 2008 (10:22 am)

Replying to: texases (Apr 23, 2008 10:09 am)

I don't really disagree and think it's probably better to just leave the oil in the ground for a few more decades anyway.
 
But I think the State figures a hungrier, smaller company would have figured out a way to get the stuff to market long before now.
 
By the time they get the gas pipeline built, LNG supertankers may be able to dock at Prudhoe.
 
fwiw, the Alaska pipeline is ~40 miles west of Pt. Thomson, so getting the condensates there could be economically feasible (don't ask me how feasible getting permits would be...).
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Re: Record Oil Price [bpizzuti] by kernick
Apr 23, 2008 (10:41 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Apr 23, 2008 9:51 am)

provided by the bank or mortgage provider, and CAN BE THE SAME AS THE LAWYER FOR THE SELLER!!
 
Again I think people need to be smart - choose a different bank than the seller. Or brainstorm, hire another lawyer!
 
I'm in the process of buying a house now, and I have a realtor who works for a different company than the seller's realtor, I'm randomly selecting an inspector - not selecting 1 recommended by the realtor, and I'm hiring my own real-estate specialty lawyer.
 
I could have bought a property 15 miles from work, but I'm planning on the possibility of higher gas prices or shortages; thus I made a lifestyle choice. Others should be doing similar, as these choices in life arise.
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Re: Record Oil Price [kernick] by ny540i6
Apr 23, 2008 (11:10 am)

Replying to: kernick (Apr 23, 2008 10:41 am)

I could have bought a property 15 miles from work, but I'm planning on the possibility of higher gas prices or shortages; thus I made a lifestyle choice. Others should be doing similar, as these choices in life arise.
 
Kernick, I agree that we all make "lifestyle choices" - some people look at all things and decide that living in a city is a good thing... others feel that the QOL accorded by a big back yard is a better environment for raising kids... still others are impacted when a company move occurs, so that the house you chose, knowing what you know now, is no longer as convenient. The point is, hindsight is a wonderful thing. I also agree that we are not all wise, and for some, wisdom comes with age, after some bad decisions have already been made. It seems that one of your personal focal points in decision making is commuting costs, so this all works out well for you.
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Re: Record Oil Price [ny540i6] by lemko
Apr 23, 2008 (11:23 am)

Replying to: ny540i6 (Apr 23, 2008 11:10 am)

I see a day where there will be a reverse of what occured during the late 1940s thru the present - that suburbanites will start moving back to the cities and inner ring suburbs, while the outer suburbs and exurbs will either decline or be abandoned. By the late 21st Century, the exurbs will look like Old West ghost towns or will have been reclaimed for agriculture.
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Re: Record Oil Price [kernick] by stevedebi
Apr 23, 2008 (11:37 am)

Replying to: kernick (Apr 22, 2008 1:07 pm)

"No that's incorrect. I work for a company that has its hourly-laborers on 2nd shift work M-Th, 10-hr shifts. They pay a 10% shift premium. Overtime at 150%-pay, is only paid after the first 40 hr are worked."
 
Depends on location. Hourly workers in California MUST be paid overtime if they work over 40 hours per week. They can work 10 hours per day "by exception", but cannot be deliberately scheduled that way. It has been a pain in the neck for our company, which used to allow employees to be flexible in their working hours, and then take a day off. Now employees have a lot of restrictions on their hours.

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