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more aggressive fleet average proposed on Earth Day by steve_ HOST
Apr 22, 2008 (5:43 pm)
"New cars and trucks will have to meet a fleet-wide average of 31.6 mpg by 2015, or about a 4.5 percent annual increase from 2011 to 2015. In 2015, passenger cars will need to achieve 35.7 mpg, and trucks will need to reach 28.6 mpg."
 
Bush administration offers new fuel economy rules (CNN)
 
California wouldn't be able to set its own tailpipe standards, so Jerry Brown will sue if it passes.
 
btw, my wife worked 4 tens for a while and hated it....
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TRULY UTTERLY DISGUSTING! by lemko
Apr 22, 2008 (5:50 pm)
My girlfriend has been out in Los Angeles since Friday. Thursday night Sunoco Regular was $3.27. Friday morning it is $3.33. Saturday it is $3.39. Sunday though lunchtime today it is $3.41. I bring her back from the airport and see it at $3.49!!!
 
It jumped SIXTEEN CENTS a gallon since Friday? I don't know about you, but something is not kosher! Gasoline prices haven't jumped this fast when Hurricane Katrina hit.
 
Just to be a nice romantic guy, I picked girlfriend up in the new Cadillac. Sunoco Ultra is now a truly, utterly, disgusting $3.75!!! It jumped TEN CENTS since lunchtime! I'm probably the only guy who still uses it these days.
 
As Marvin Gaye once asked, "What's Goin' On?"
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Re: Record Oil Price [flash11] by texases
Apr 22, 2008 (7:45 pm)

Replying to: flash11 (Apr 22, 2008 4:22 pm)

Sorry, my friends from Caracas would differ with you. Chavez is a dictator, pure and simple. He's running out of money to buy the allegiance of the poor, and is looking for new scapegoats in the food supply industry.
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Re: Record Oil Price [tpe] by bpizzuti
Apr 23, 2008 (2:25 am)

Replying to: tpe (Apr 22, 2008 5:05 pm)

There are also people losing their homes because they were manipulated, misled, and misinformed by unscrupulous companies selling mortgages. It IS the governments job to protect people from predatory companies. Likewise if oil companies are being predatory it would be the government's job to step in. Saying they have no choice but to raise prices otherwise they'll be in the poorhouse, begging for tax breaks to help their poor, barely profitable industry, and then posting record hundred-billion profits, all at the same time doesn't quite wash with me.
 
I have no problem with companies wanting to be profitable, or even being profitable. But saying in one breath that they're at the edge of solvency and begging the government for a handout, and in the next breath announcing record profits sounds more like a scam, doesn't it?
 
As for the China thing, the price was in an article I just read this week and was dated recently. When I get to work I'll go dig it up.
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Re: Record Oil Price [snakeweasel] by circlew
Apr 23, 2008 (3:01 am)

Replying to: snakeweasel (Apr 22, 2008 2:11 pm)

Depends on the state rules..in CA and NJ it's over 8 hrs daily.
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Re: Record Oil Price [bpizzuti] by lemko
Apr 23, 2008 (4:00 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Apr 23, 2008 2:25 am)

But saying in one breath that they're at the edge of solvency and begging the government for a handout, and in the next breath announcing record profits sounds more like a scam, doesn't it?
 
You bet it does! I could see if Exxon, Shell, etc. were having big losses or just eking out miniscule profits, but they are making profits that are the envy of other companies, even very profitable ones. Why do they want to derail the economy for their benefit? Why are they trying to kill the golden goose? Do they know something we don't? Is science on the breakthrough of an amazing alternative energy source that'll render Big Oil obsolete so they're trying to make as much as they can before it all ends?
 
I see Congress recently had the heads of the big oil companies before them, but nothing seems to have come of it. I think gouging the American people during time of war is treasonous and these guys should hang!
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Re: TRULY UTTERLY DISGUSTING! [lemko] by kernick
Apr 23, 2008 (4:22 am)

Replying to: lemko (Apr 22, 2008 5:50 pm)

As Marvin Gaye once asked, "What's Goin' On?"
 
A month or 2 ago oil was $100/barrel. as of yesterday it is about $120/barrel, a 20% jump. Now gas doesn't always go up the same day as the crude ... but look at what you were paying 2 months ago and today; about a 20% increase right?
 
My new house has oil-heat; I'm more worried about the cost to heat it than gasoline. I'm going to be cutting/chopping/hauling some wood this summer - good exercise and free-heat.
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after $4 by smithed
Apr 23, 2008 (4:48 am)
Drive. What choice do I have?
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Re: Record Oil Price [lemko] by tpe
Apr 23, 2008 (5:16 am)

Replying to: lemko (Apr 23, 2008 4:00 am)

It's amazing that there are still people who believe our domestic oil companies set the price of oil. They are relatively small players in comparison to the nationalized oil companies and are incapable of producing enough oil to supply this country's demand. We need Canada's, Mexico's and Venezuela's oil. Does anyone believe we can dictate to them what they should charge?
 
Congress calling in the CEOs of big oil was pure political grandstanding.
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Re: Record Oil Price [tpe] by bpizzuti
Apr 23, 2008 (5:25 am)

Replying to: tpe (Apr 23, 2008 5:16 am)

No one's talking about the price of oil. We're talking about the price of GAS. Exxon-Mobil and company, among other things, make their money by selling GAS, after they either buy it from a refinery, or buy crude oil and refine it themselves.
 
If oil is that expensive, and the "oil" companies are STILL making huge profits, then that means there's LOTS of room to lower the price of gasoline and they could still be profitable.
 
Incidentally, it's not Canada and Mexico setting prices. It's the oil drilling companies operating IN Canada and Mexico. And sometimes that's also ExxonMobil, Chevron, BP, etc.
 
Venezuela is a different story of course.

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