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Re: Food prices not gas prices will cause unrest here. [gagrice] by circlew
Apr 22, 2008 (11:58 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Apr 22, 2008 9:42 am)

Why are the people starving?
Because their leaders eat up too much of the tax-grain;
that is why the people are starving.
Why are the people difficult to govern?
Because their leaders interfere;
that is why the people are difficult to govern.
Why do the people treat death lightly.
Because their leaders are so grossly absorbed in the pursuit of living;
that is why the people treat death lightly.
 
Indeed, it is wiser to ignore life altogether
than to place too high a value on it.
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Re: Good graphic from the NYTimes [gagrice] by nwng
Apr 22, 2008 (12:03 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Apr 21, 2008 10:28 am)

this is just not fair, I help old ladies cross the street too!
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Ugh! by hockeyeast
Apr 22, 2008 (12:47 pm)
Somebody peed off an oil rig...price goes up!
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Re: Record Oil Price [kernick] by Sylvia STAFF
Apr 22, 2008 (12:48 pm)

Replying to: kernick (Apr 22, 2008 8:47 am)

Actually, there is a rule about working 10-hour days - - - it's called overtime and most companies wouldn't want to pay OT.
 
Change in spending habits - you bet. We don't drive to the park 7 miles away any longer. We walk the kids to the one about a mile away. We are also trying to have "no drive" weekends. Friday night I combine my errands, grocery shopping, kid pickup, etc. into one big loop. I carpool on weekend activities rather than drive myself.
 
It isn't as convenient but since my fill-up is $62 (and I DO pay $4/gal) v. under $40 a couple of years ago... you bet habits are changing.
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Re: Record Oil Price [Sylvia] by kernick
Apr 22, 2008 (1:07 pm)

Replying to: Sylvia (Apr 22, 2008 12:48 pm)

Actually, there is a rule about working 10-hour days - - - it's called overtime and most companies wouldn't want to pay OT.
 
No that's incorrect. I work for a company that has its hourly-laborers on 2nd shift work M-Th, 10-hr shifts. They pay a 10% shift premium. Overtime at 150%-pay, is only paid after the first 40 hr are worked.
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Re: Record Oil Price [kernick] by ny540i6
Apr 22, 2008 (1:14 pm)

Replying to: kernick (Apr 22, 2008 8:47 am)

When we look at the changes and choices necessary to conserve, the biggest seems to be that many of us do not see that conservation is "really" necessary, or that it is our own individual issue.... and I'm as guilty as anyone else. I still drive a V8, when the V6 would have been adequate, I still prefer to be comfortable at home in the winter, rather than lower the thermostat way down and wear a couple of sweaters, socks etc, and in the summer, I still use central air. Yes, I've reinsulated rooms. Yes, I maintain tire pressures, drive smoothly etc. However, most of my changes are geared to doing the same thing, but just a bit smarter.
 
So when I look at where we are going in the auto industry I see that the trend is continuously combining more power, bigger vehicles WITH greater efficiency; It used to be that 250-300 HP was a big deal - sports car turf. (I'm talking post oil crisis, through the 80's and 90's) Now you can buy mainstream mid level sedans that are over 300HP. I sometimes wonder about the benefit of not looking to increase the HP on the Malibu, deciding that 250 (let's say) is enough, and trying to make it the most efficient. Agree that current sizes are big enough (anyone remember when the Accord was a small car?) weight is enough etc....
 
Just a thought.
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Re: Record Oil Price [bpizzuti] by kernick
Apr 22, 2008 (1:19 pm)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Apr 22, 2008 9:16 am)

Having said that, China's gas is under $3 and not going anywhere.
 
I'll take you word on the price, but also consider the average Chinese worker is making $5,000 if lucky. The people in China buying cars are upper middle class, and might be making $15,000 - $20,000.
So that is why I am saying other societies are dealing with the gas price. However their lifestyle might be living 3 miles from work, 1 car, and driving 5,000 miles/year.
 
These other societies deal with a much higher relative price compared to their income. Here in the U.S. the typical worker is pulling in $40K? $50K?
 
If I drive 10,000 miles/year at 25mpg $3.50/gal gas = $1,400. $1,400 really isn't that much compared to our salaries! If gas goes to $4.00/gal then my gas bill would be $1,600. $200 more is not that much ( 3 months cable TV ).
 
If you think these amounts are a lot, you have a lot of economic issues besides that. How you will pay for increasing health-care, college tuition, and retirement. You really need to consider a new career, or working another job, if those gasoline bills scare you. You have a much deeper problem.
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Re: Record Oil Price [kernick] by ny540i6
Apr 22, 2008 (1:31 pm)

Replying to: kernick (Apr 22, 2008 1:19 pm)

If you think these amounts are a lot, you have a lot of economic issues besides that. How you will pay for increasing health-care, college tuition, and retirement. You really need to consider a new career, or working another job, if those gasoline bills scare you. You have a much deeper problem.
 
The issue with higher fuel prices is much more than the direct cost to the individual buying gas.... Higher fuel prices trickle through all the other things that we are all consuming.
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Re: New abode [kernick] by snakeweasel
Apr 22, 2008 (2:05 pm)

Replying to: kernick (Apr 22, 2008 4:48 am)

I go all the way - Cape May
 
I spent two months is Cape May and was able to see the town a couple of those days. Its a very pretty town and would love to go back and see the town in a more relaxed unhurried way.
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Re: Record Oil Price [Sylvia] by snakeweasel
Apr 22, 2008 (2:11 pm)

Replying to: Sylvia (Apr 22, 2008 12:48 pm)

Actually, there is a rule about working 10-hour days - - - it's called overtime and most companies wouldn't want to pay OT.
 
I know of no company that pays overtime for going over 8 hours in a single day. All pay overtime after 40 hours, so working 4 ten hour days would not result in any over time.

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