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Re: Record Oil Price [1stpik] by kernick
Apr 22, 2008 (8:47 am)

Replying to: 1stpik (Apr 22, 2008 7:51 am)

Consumers can't cover $4 gasoline (and $5.50 diesel). The U.S. economy can't absorb it.
 
Sure it can; but some adjustments might be needed to compensate, and people of lower income may have to give up some things.
1) many employers could go to (4) 10-hr days. There is no golden-rule that businesses run (5) 8-hr days.
2) people will move closer to work, or take a job closer to home.
3) people may walk and bike more to local stores.
4) people will choose to shop at the closer stores rather than drive further.
5) People may take trips to closer spots - the lake 10 miles away rather than 30 miles away.
6) People may decide they rather have money for gas, than spend $100/month on cable and cell-phone. Or wasting money on their 15th Chinese-made "designer" purse, or upgrading their perfectly fine golf-clubs.
 
And lastly before you get everyone all gloomy and doomy, higher gas prices is not the end of the world. Other countries with lower GDP, and individual incomes are getting along ok with these prices.
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Re: Record Oil Price [1stpik] by lemko
Apr 22, 2008 (8:48 am)

Replying to: 1stpik (Apr 22, 2008 7:51 am)

Yeah, that "attack" on the Nigerian pipeline might in reality be some kid tapping on it with a rubber mallet. The "rocket shot" at a Japanese tanker might be somebody messing around with a bottle rocket. I think the oil companies and the mainstream media are in collusion to drive up the prices. What's next, "Sheik Sneezes! Oil Jumps to $150 a Barrel?"
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Re: Record Oil Price [lemko] by texases
Apr 22, 2008 (9:03 am)

Replying to: lemko (Apr 22, 2008 8:48 am)

"Yeah, that "attack" on the Nigerian pipeline might in reality be some kid tapping on it with a rubber mallet."
 
Nope, it's real, and it's a major problem. Shell Oil, a major player there, is having to deal with much lower than planned production because of the constant attacks and kidnapping. And the hoped-for gush of Iraqi oil is very slow in coming because of the same kind of problems. This stuff ain't made up!
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Re: Record Oil Price [lemko] by bpizzuti
Apr 22, 2008 (9:04 am)

Replying to: lemko (Apr 22, 2008 8:48 am)

What's next, "Sheik Sneezes! Oil Jumps to $150 a Barrel?"
 
That already happened didn't it?
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Re: Record Oil Price [kernick] by lemko
Apr 22, 2008 (9:04 am)

Replying to: kernick (Apr 22, 2008 8:47 am)

Other countries also get by living in tin shacks and eating mud pies. Hey, maybe we can adopt Haitian Mud Cookies with an American flavor! There's Iowa Clarion, Alabama Red Clay, Mississippi Silt, Louisiana Loam, and Texas Topsoil!
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Re: Record Oil Price [lemko] by bpizzuti
Apr 22, 2008 (9:05 am)

Replying to: lemko (Apr 22, 2008 9:04 am)

Many of those other countries have $1.00/gallon gas, too...
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Re: Record Oil Price [bpizzuti] by texases
Apr 22, 2008 (9:11 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Apr 22, 2008 9:05 am)

The $1/gallon gas is usually found in oil-producing countries, where the government heads/dictators subsidize the price to keep people happy, typically while using much of the remainder to line their own pockets.
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Re: Record Oil Price [texases] by bpizzuti
Apr 22, 2008 (9:16 am)

Replying to: texases (Apr 22, 2008 9:11 am)

Whereas we have $4 per gallon gas. oil companies are making record profits, and the government gives tax rebates to the oil companies to line their pockets. And the people are unhappy.
 
Maybe there's something to be said for dictatorship.
 
Having said that, China's gas is under $3 and not going anywhere. And their economy, as a result, is absolutely booming. Ours, to compare, is slowly sinking.
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Re: Good graphic from the NYTimes [bpizzuti] by gagrice
Apr 22, 2008 (9:24 am)

Replying to: bpizzuti (Apr 22, 2008 4:34 am)

And I'm only 6 feet tall.
 
I tried to get comfortable in both the Civic and Accord a couple years ago. My head was touching the headliner. I am also just 6 foot tall. I like the sitting position in a PU or SUV for long drives. I am more relaxed and my back does not hurt at the end of a long day. Many of the current vehicles have gone to hard seats which I find uncomfortable as well.
 
The truth is they can make comfortable vehicles that get 35 MPG. We just don't get them in the USA. So we have to use more fuel or live our lives to suit other people.
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Food prices not gas prices will cause unrest here. by gagrice
Apr 22, 2008 (9:42 am)
Haiti is in flames as food riots have turned into a violent challenge to the vulnerable government; Egypt's authoritarian regime faces a mounting political threat over its inability to maintain a steady supply of heavily subsidized bread to its impoverished citizens; Cote D'Ivoire, Cameroon, Mozambique, Uzbekistan, Yemen and Indonesia are among the countries that have recently seen violent food riots or demonstrations. World Bank president Robert Zoellick noted last week that world food prices had risen 80% over the past three years, and warned that at least 33 countries face social unrest as a result.
 
The sociology of the food riot is pretty straightforward: The usually impoverished majority of citizens may acquiesce to the rule of detested corrupt and repressive regimes when they are preoccupied with the daily struggle to feed their children and themselves, but when circumstances render it impossible to feed their hungry children, normally passive citizens can very quickly become militants with nothing to lose. That's especially true when the source of their hunger is not the absence of food supplies but their inability to afford to buy the available food supplies. And that's precisely what we're seeing in the current wave of global food-price inflation. As Josette Sheeran of the U.N. World Food Program put it last month, "We are seeing food on the shelves but people being unable to afford it."
 
When all that stands between hungry people and a warehouse full of rice and beans is a couple of padlocks and a riot policeman (who may be the neighbor of those who're trying to get past him, and whose own family may be hungry too), the invisible barricade of private-property laws can be easily ignored.

 
Our ethanol policy has not helped the food or fuel situation here or abroad.

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