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Re: Fuel Prices... [bumpy] by kdhspyder
Apr 21, 2008 (6:55 am)

Replying to: bumpy (Apr 21, 2008 6:48 am)

Since we live and die on income fromvisitors from PA, WV, OH as well as VA and NC that's not a good signal.
 
My own 150 mi commute now is costing 6.8 cents / mi every day. But at $4.00 it would jump to over 8 cents / mi. At some point even a Prius doesn't mitigate the pain enough. Gen3 Prius 'C'mon Down'!!!
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Might be time to start thinking about... by bumpy
Apr 21, 2008 (7:27 am)
getting a job a bit closer to home.
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Re: Yeah... [bumpy] by fintail
Apr 21, 2008 (7:44 am)

Replying to: bumpy (Apr 21, 2008 6:33 am)

In Europe pizzas are usually delivered on mopeds, at least on my experience. Might be a good idea for here.
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Re: So..... [lemko] by steve_ HOST
Apr 21, 2008 (7:54 am)

Replying to: lemko (Apr 21, 2008 4:55 am)

Pretty soon all those other luxuries will go. The cable TV will be cancelled. Cell phones will be scrapped in favor of a handful of change to use at pay phones. Internet access will be cancelled.
 
Hmm, no cable here, no cell. Free internet thanks to the ISP access point dish on my roof. My wife got diagnosed with a bunch of food allergies so we're spending lots more on organic type foods, but just about quit eating out.
 
About the only place left to cut would be to go back to one car and hitch up to the ski hill in the winter. Did the former for ~10 of the last 25 years so that's easy enough, and I biked/hitched to Bogus a lot when we lived close in to town.
 
Maybe a move is in our future.
 
I think another consequence of high gas prices, assuming they stay high while consumption decreases (is that possible?), is that some gas stations will close. So you'll have to wind up driving farther just to get gas.
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Re: So..... [steve_] by nippononly
Apr 21, 2008 (8:18 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Apr 21, 2008 7:54 am)

"I think another consequence of high gas prices, assuming they stay high while consumption decreases (is that possible?), "
 
Yes, that's possible if the price of oil rises more rapidly than demand declines, as has been the case for the last four years.
 
It's hard to believe that demand is only declining 2% per year since 2005. Of course, none of the news articles ever mentions how much the typical annual rise in consumption was prior to that. I would figure it was probably on the order of 5%, so the actual CONSERVATION last year and the year before was about 7% each year. Still doesn't seem like much, considering how much the prices have risen.
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Re: Yeah... [fintail] by andre1969
Apr 21, 2008 (8:18 am)

Replying to: fintail (Apr 21, 2008 7:44 am)

n Europe pizzas are usually delivered on mopeds, at least on my experience. Might be a good idea for here.
 
That might work in some downtown areas where traffic is slow and congested. I've seen pizza delivery guys on mopeds and scooters in downtown DC. Unfortunately, I've also heard that one downside of delivery by moped/scooter is that it tends to make the pizzas slide around in the box when they go around tight corners, and that can mess them up.
 
Back when I delivered pizzas though, I wouldn't have been caught dead on a moped or scooter out in the suburbs. That would have just been asking for trouble. Heck, just putting a sign on your car is asking for trouble. And not just from robbery. People will mess with you when they see that sign on your car. Cut you off, run a stop sign to get in front of you, call into the store to complain about you even if you're doing nothing wrong, etc.
 
Back when I delivered pizzas, I'd always do it in stealth mode, no sign. I simply told management up front that by carrying that sign, that THEY are bearing the full responsibility for anything that happens to me while I advertise for them. Dunno how well it would hold up in court, but they'd always back down.
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Good graphic from the NYTimes by steve_ HOST
Apr 21, 2008 (8:31 am)
Too big to post here though:
 
Burning Through Oil
 
One factoid from the graphic - current new car mpg fleet standards are 27.5/22.2 in the US; 46 in Japan and 43 in the EU.
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Re: Good graphic from the NYTimes [steve_] by ny540i6
Apr 21, 2008 (8:56 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Apr 21, 2008 8:31 am)

Man!
 
Those are some pretty sobering numbers. Makes it kinda obvious (at least to me) that some small changes can lead to big dividends, without ending life as we know it.
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Re: Yeah... [andre1969] by fintail
Apr 21, 2008 (9:27 am)

Replying to: andre1969 (Apr 21, 2008 8:18 am)

Maybe people put too much junk on their pizzas
 
I wouldn't want to put a sign on my car either, if I was delivering...for exactly the reasons you mention. People will screw with you. If they want a sign, they can provide the car.
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Re: Good graphic from the NYTimes [steve_] by gagrice
Apr 21, 2008 (9:34 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Apr 21, 2008 8:31 am)

I find that figure for Japan a bit hard to believe. If the Prius is the best they got, it only gets 48 MPG on average. We know the rest are at best in the 30s. They are as anal as the US about diesel so where is that figure coming from?

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