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Replying to: kernick (Apr 18, 2008 9:00 am) The wave of the future. China is leading the surge, building one new coal fired generator plant per week. It is a good alternative for producing diesel.
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Replying to: gagrice (Apr 18, 2008 9:09 am) Congressional Ethics Luxury Compact Jumbo Shrimp and now ... Clean Coal That's a definite maybe. 
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Replying to: larsb (Apr 18, 2008 8:50 am) |
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 18, 2008 9:16 am) Isn't that an oxymoron? Clean Coal Isn't that ALSO an oxymoron? 
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A lot of good info. here. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2008-04-18-oil-prices_N.htm "Oil's gains on Friday were limited by the dollar, which strengthened against the euro, sending oil prices lower earlier in the day. A stronger dollar makes commodities such as oil less attractive to investors as a hedge against inflation, and it makes oil more expensive to investors overseas. Analysts believe the weaker dollar is the primary reason oil has soared well past $100 a barrel this year." "Ritterbusch estimates that the average difference between what refiners pay for oil and receive for the gasoline they make from it stands somewhere between $13 and $15 a barrel. But in some areas, this difference has actually gone negative at times in recent weeks, meaning that refiners "were losing money on each barrel of gasoline produced," Ritterbusch said." "May natural gas futures rose 20.4 cents to settle at $10.587 per 1,000 cubic feet." If the price of natural gas is shooting up too, I'm sure there is no large excess supply. |
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Apr 18, 2008 12:02 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 18, 2008 12:41 pm) 
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About 10 years ago my school district experimented with compressed natural gas as a "green" alternative to diesel. What a disaster. First off the driving range was only about 50 miles (limited by the number of tanks you could install) vs. 300 plus miles for our regular diesels. This required 3.5 hours of staff time each week just for fueling vs. about 10 minutes for the diesel which only required fueling once per week. Second, the buses were dangerously underpowered. I once floored an empty bus from a stop and kept my foot to the floor for 3 miles. I got it up to 40mph! Pulling out in heavy traffic was suicide. Third, the gas engines were unreliable. The buses broke down almost daily. They replaced all the engines in the first few years to no avail. They finally sold them all to some third world country just to get rid of them. |
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Replying to: steve_ (Apr 18, 2008 7:36 am) I visit France every 4 years to participate in a big bicycling event (what else?). One thing I like about their road system is that there are a lot less stop signs and a lot more roundabouts than we have here. I know that converting every intersection that has stop signs over to a roundabout would be very costly and there probably wouldn't be room to do it in many places. However, France seems to have considered the roundabout in the original design of the road. I wonder if the high price of fuel (currently over $8/gal in US dollars) had anything to do with it?
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the price of oil was $116.69 (a new record) and per a new AAA report today, the average price of gas in San Francisco is now $3.96. So $4 gas is here. My officemate, who has a 20-mile drive each way in her commute, started participating in a complicated carpool with three coworkers two weeks ago. All of them come from at least that far away; one has a commute of approximately 35 miles each way. She is now arriving late half the time while they work out the kinks, but she seems fairly happy with it, and says her savings are going to be substantial after the first full month. The sacrifice on her part is that she is limited to the couple of places within walking distance for lunch, on days when she doesn't brown bag it.
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