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Re: BOYCOTT every last US automaker except Honda!! [kscng] by chadx
Apr 18, 2008 (6:24 am)

Replying to: kscng (Apr 17, 2008 8:25 pm)

There is no way the there would be enough natural gas to go around if everyone changed to a natural gas car. They hardly have enough for electric generation, home heating, and production (such as fertilizers, etc.). They also use extensive amounts of natural gas to extract oil from poor sources like tar sand, or to pressurize oil wells as the natural pressure subsides. Natural gas is not a replacement for oil or gas powered cars.
 
"Natural gas production in the United States peaked in 1971. Since then Canada has increasing supplied the United States to 15 percent of its needs in 2002. However, in 2002 Canadian gas production declined. That trend continued in 2003. Currently, 80 percent of all wells are drilled for gas not oil, but in spite of this increased effort the production decline has not been reversed. The amount of gas found per foot drilled has also declined 50 percent in the past decade indicating that the easy-to-find large fields have already been discovered. New gas wells are showing decline rates as high as 80 percent the first year."
-Originally published in Natural Resources Research

 
Here is another good article, including the follow-up questions and answers...
How the coming home heating crisis could threaten the grid
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Re: BOYCOTT every last US automaker except Honda!! [chadx] by lbeaver
Apr 18, 2008 (6:50 am)

Replying to: chadx (Apr 18, 2008 6:24 am)

Quote: What will you do when gas price rises above $4 a gallon? /Quote
I'll continue to drive my Honda
and laugh every time I drive by a fuel/gas station
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Re: BOYCOTT every last US automaker except Honda!! [lbeaver] by texases
Apr 18, 2008 (6:53 am)

Replying to: lbeaver (Apr 18, 2008 6:50 am)

That's what I'll do, become an 'HAFC' distributor and make money off of the worried and gullible!
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Re: BOYCOTT every last US automaker except Honda!! [kscng] by chadx
Apr 18, 2008 (6:59 am)

Replying to: kscng (Apr 17, 2008 8:25 pm)

"No reason whatsoever that USA should be driving all these gashogs, except for EPA and DOE being in cohoots with BigOil, along with all the US auto manufacturers!!!"
 
Except for the fact that neither agency has anything what so ever to do with the vehicles the manufactures choose to make or what citizens choose to purchase. It is actually the publics demand that decides what manufactures build. No one buys any SUVs? Then they stop making them. Demand for econo-cars skyrockets? They step up production of those models and put more R&D into that category (remember there is a 3 to 5 year lead time on what rolls off the assembly line).
 
If certain models sat on dealer lots and didn't sell, you can be they would make less of them. But when everyone that walks in buys a V8 rather than a V6 in a vehicle, or a V6 rather than an inline 4, that is what the manufactures build. Blame your neighbor, not gov. agencies. Supply and demand, remember?
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how about this idea? by steve_ HOST
Apr 18, 2008 (7:36 am)
Coming to a full stop at intersections wastes gas, right? So let's either legalize California stops or swap a bunch of stop signs out for yield signs. No one stops at them anyway:
 
Does anybody really stop at stop signs? (Straightline)
 

 
(Dang Andre, beer, cigs and gas. That's three bad "addictions" you have going there. )
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Re: how about this idea? [steve_] by texases
Apr 18, 2008 (7:37 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Apr 18, 2008 7:36 am)

"Dang Andre, beer, cigs and gas. That's three bad "addictions" you have going there."
 
You forgot the worst - Mopar tanks!
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Re: how about this idea? [texases] by steve_ HOST
Apr 18, 2008 (7:51 am)

Replying to: texases (Apr 18, 2008 7:37 am)

We'll have to do an interdiction and get him off the unleaded stuff asap.
 
Never seems to help the Chronic Car Buyers though, lol.
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Re: how about this idea? [steve_] by euphonium
Apr 18, 2008 (8:15 am)

Replying to: steve_ (Apr 18, 2008 7:51 am)

So what is an intervention? Are you not a friend of Bill?
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Re: BOYCOTT every last US automaker except Honda!! [kscng] by ateixeira
Apr 18, 2008 (8:23 am)

Replying to: kscng (Apr 17, 2008 8:25 pm)

Now that's just silly.
 
The Miata is more fuel efficient than the S2000.
 
The Sienna is more fuel efficient than the Odyssey.
 
Prius is more fuel efficient than the Civic Hybrid.
 
I could go on and on.
 
Yes, Honda has a high CAFE average but that's mostly because they do not sell big trucks like Toyota does.
 
Choosing the most fuel efficient vehicles that meets your needs makes sense.
 
Boycotting a Miata, which is more fuel efficient than an S2000, just because of the manufacturer's badge, makes no sense at all. It is ridiculous.
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Re: how about this idea? [euphonium] by steve_ HOST
Apr 18, 2008 (8:25 am)

Replying to: euphonium (Apr 18, 2008 8:15 am)

Thanks for the spelling correction. Intervention it is. I was thinking of the other kind of bombed....
 
No one wants to pull the stop signs down?

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