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No reason whatsoever that USA should be driving all these gashogs, except for EPA and DOE being in cohoots with BigOil, along with all the US auto manufacturers!!! BOYCOTT them ALL, except for one . . . Honda. Honda is the highest mpg auto producer and ONLY company still selling the REAL CURE to high petrol prices . . . CNG - - compressed natural gas. USA has massive supply of cheap natural gas (witnessed by Utah cng price of $0.64 per gge - - - gallon of gas equivalent). Also Rocky Mountains has massive supply that is being piped through new 36 inch pipeline from Colorado to Chicago!! Also, new Denali pipeline is being built from Alaska to Canada to use massive supply of natural gas in Alaska. Finally, yet another massive supply of natural gas was located in Pennsylvania - - - all of these add up to likely 100 to 150 year supply of ng, even if ALL crude oil was NOT bought from OPEC!! Buy yourself a Honda Civic GX (dedicated cng) and find any public cng refueling station near your house and USE cng!!! If no public cng station, then buy yourself a Fuelmaker cng compressor that connects to normal natural gas line that supplies your home furnace with natural gas!!! CNG is the SOLUTION to transportation needs of USA . . if only Pres Bush, EPA, DOE, and car makers would promote cng!! Current "Oil Crisis" is what I call Enronizing the price of crude oil to help all of Pres Bush BigOil cronies in TX, Halliburton buddies of VP Cheney, etc. Throw all those scheisters out!! |
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Replying to: kscng (Apr 17, 2008 8:25 pm) That's still in the "give us a license" phase. Build-out would be complete in 2018. Journal of Commerce |
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Replying to: kscng (Apr 17, 2008 8:25 pm) The Honda Civic GX has many incentives to purchase including HOV in CA. Problem is it is only a commuter type vehicle. When you get 180 miles from home you will not be able to find anyone to fill your CNG tank. Add to that the very small trunk because of the large CNG tank. If you want or need a REAL truck Honda has no option. If they ever offer a diesel Pilot I may consider Honda a viable car company. Not before. Nothing they have is practical for me. PS Friends that own the Odyssey do not get more than about 16 MPG in mixed driving. I can get that in my Sequoia and not worry about getting stuck in a sandy wash. |
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by consolidating errands. Ended up hitting the gas station, doing my weekly beer run, and picking up cigs for my roommate all in one trip. Unfortunately, I did it in a '76 LeMans that gets about 10 mpg in local driving.  I'll tell ya what's really incredible, is how much cigarettes have gone up! A pack of Marlboro Medium is now something like $5.59! They were running a sale on menthol, but the guy at the liquor store didn't recommend getting those for someone who's not used to them. I ended up getting him some Parliament, which was running a sale of 2 for $5.99. It wouldn't surprise me to find out my roommate's cigarette habit costs more per year than my fuel bill! Oh, as for the gas? 93 octane at the local Shell came out to $3.679 per gallon. |
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Replying to: kscng (Apr 17, 2008 8:25 pm) I think highly of Honda products. Whether it's a lawnmower, generator, motorcycle, outboard motor, personal watercraft, and cars. If you think about it, Honda 225HP outboard will get a max 4mpg pushing a boat. Since many offshore boats have two handing on the back, make that 2mpg. Regardless, I love boating and am just throwing this out there. Honda does make so called gas hogs. Besides, honda needs someone to build a vehicle that can tow the boats they put their outboards on. BTW, a 225HP Honda outboard costs more than a Civic. Not going to tow a Honda PWC with a CNG Civic. Besides, it doesn't bother me to fill up my Suburban, so I'll keep driving it. Is CNG really that great to power our cars. My NG bill in the winters are high enough. No free lunch. |
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Replying to: kscng (Apr 17, 2008 8:25 pm) That's not an option where I live; and probably for many people. The gas company lines stop about 40 miles east only serving a few cities. The main fuel used here in homes is oil, followed by propane, and then wood. A lot of the natural gas that is available here in New England is brought in liquified on tankers. Needless to say not many communities want to harbor this process due to the tanks and the danger. Security is very high when these tankers come in, so that someone doesn't do a "Cole-type" attack and create a mile-wide fireball. In Boston they even close a major bridge while a tanker passes underneath. And as far as those 36" delivery pipes go, how do you protect thousands of miles of those if terrorists decide to one day knock those out (for a week or so), and thus bring the transport in the nation to a stop? |
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Replying to: kscng (Apr 17, 2008 8:25 pm) "Natural gas production in the United States peaked in 1971. Since then Canada has increasing supplied the United States to 15 percent of its needs in 2002. However, in 2002 Canadian gas production declined. That trend continued in 2003. Currently, 80 percent of all wells are drilled for gas not oil, but in spite of this increased effort the production decline has not been reversed. The amount of gas found per foot drilled has also declined 50 percent in the past decade indicating that the easy-to-find large fields have already been discovered. New gas wells are showing decline rates as high as 80 percent the first year." -Originally published in Natural Resources Research Here is another good article, including the follow-up questions and answers... How the coming home heating crisis could threaten the grid
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Replying to: chadx (Apr 18, 2008 6:24 am) I'll continue to drive my Honda  and laugh every time I drive by a fuel/gas station
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