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Re: Car pool [avalon02wh] by dieselone
Apr 16, 2008 (7:27 pm)

Replying to: avalon02wh (Apr 16, 2008 6:58 pm)

I think we have a few other people that post on the board that are in the same position. Gasoline is going to need to get a lot higher before it impacts us in a meaningful way.

 
Yep, doesn't phase me a bit. My neighbor just bought a new Mastercraft skiboat and looking at it all shinny and new makes me want to get my boat out of storage to clean up, fill up, and hit the lake.
 
If some think $4 gas will keep people who can afford $60k boats off the lake, they are flat wrong, I have no doubt the lake we boat on will be just as crowded this year as last. Our current boat is going on 5 years old and my wife and I have been talking about its replacement. I plan on boating for many more years.
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Re: A case against Mass Transit [larsb] by gagrice
Apr 16, 2008 (7:36 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Apr 16, 2008 9:04 am)

"Making a Mountain Out Of A MoleHill - By Gary"
 
Maybe to you it is insignificant. Not to those that went through the ordeal. Just because every time you have ridden mass transit it was a wonderful experience does not make it so for everyone. There are sections of the trolley line in San Diego that are very scary with not much protection from the criminal element that use the transit system to carry out their acts of crime.
 
To clarify my post. I did not say we should do away with cities or the mass transit that keeps the people moving. I said very clearly, so that anyone could understand, that I would not live under those conditions under any circumstances. As Kernick has posted many times if you cannot afford to live the way you like, work harder or get a better education. Accepting that you are stuck in some cesspool of a city riding some stinking mass transit is a personal choice.
 
I just posted one small incident of the failure of mass transit. I am not advocating anything except that it be self supporting. Why should I subsidize someone else getting to work?
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Re: Car pool [dieselone] by gagrice
Apr 16, 2008 (7:42 pm)

Replying to: dieselone (Apr 16, 2008 7:27 pm)

If some think $4 gas will keep people who can afford $60k boats off the lake, they are flat wrong
 
That is just part of the AMERICAN DREAM. Take away the dream and all you have is a country of android losers. Why work hard if I cannot enjoy the fruits of my labor.
 
In 1983-86 when I owned a 22 foot Nordic jet boat with a 454 Chevy engine, gas was a bigger part of my income than it is now. Using 60 gallons in a day of racing around lake Havasu was not uncommon. Can't say as I miss those days but they were fun at the time and a good escape from 3 weeks in the Arctic tundra producing oil for the rest of the folks.
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Re: Shoot... [nippononly] by gagrice
Apr 16, 2008 (7:49 pm)

Replying to: nippononly (Apr 16, 2008 7:25 pm)

It is possible that the market is pushing Congress to open up some of our known oil supplies to production.
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Re: Car pool [gagrice] by dieselone
Apr 16, 2008 (8:20 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Apr 16, 2008 7:42 pm)

In 1983-86 when I owned a 22 foot Nordic jet boat with a 454 Chevy engine
 
Those big block jet boats are very cool. While my family enjoys powerboating, I could see my wife and I slowing down to a nice 30-40' sloop and become a blow boater when the kids are long gone.
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Re: Car pool [dieselone] by gagrice
Apr 16, 2008 (8:45 pm)

Replying to: dieselone (Apr 16, 2008 8:20 pm)

I've thought living on a sail boat would be fun also. My wife is not big on that idea. My Nordic day cruiser was fun and the girls loved it. Not the best for pulling skiers. We did it a lot though. And we pulled up guys with old parachutes a few times. Crazy Havasu days. I was trying to remember what we paid for gas. Seems it was around $1.60 per gallon out there. Higher than the big cities at that time.
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Re: Shoot... [gagrice] by nippononly
Apr 16, 2008 (10:52 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Apr 16, 2008 7:49 pm)

I believe what they have proposed recently was to suspend purchases of oil for the Strategic National Reserve, in the hopes that the consequent reduction in demand would alleviate oil prices somewhat.
 
With the summer driving season now all but upon us, I have no hope that any temporary dip in oil prices now would reduce gas prices at all. What it might do, I guess, is stop them rising just before they go past the $4/gallon mark.
 
Good ol' McCain, of course, has proposed something previously discussed here in the sacred pages of TownHall: suspending the federal gas tax to give people a whopping $0.18 of relief between Memorial Day and Labor Day. To him I say, how about getting in your time machine, travellling back 20 years, and developing a solid national energy policy?? It would be doing a hell of a lot more good now than giving us those $0.18 for a couple of months this summer. But I am sure some, if not many, people will say something is better than nothing.
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Re: Shoot... [nippononly] by imidazol97
Apr 17, 2008 (4:03 am)

Replying to: nippononly (Apr 16, 2008 10:52 pm)

>To him I say, how about getting in your time machine, travellling back 20 years, and developing a solid national energy policy?? It would be doing a hell of a lot more good now than giving us those $0.18 for a couple of months this summer.
 
How 'bout saying that to Pelosi and the Democrat congress who said last April that she (they) have a plan to handle rising gas prices...?
 
I heard an early talk show guest saying that the problem with the prices is the dollar has slid in value. That's a government economics problem. If it were where it started the cost of oil would be 60$ per barrel. He pointed out refineries are at 83% capacity so the Petroleum Institute can't use that in their press releases to justify higher gas prices. It will be the need for silly EPA boutique gas blends that causes the rise now; couldn't the EPA have one blend for all areas that need special treatment?
 
I'm driving less to save the $4 gallon.
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Re: Shoot... [imidazol97] by dieselone
Apr 17, 2008 (4:33 am)

Replying to: imidazol97 (Apr 17, 2008 4:03 am)

Yeah, all I heard from the Dems after the elections was the people have spoken and changes will be made. I haven't noticed anything.
 
McCain's gas tax holiday is a stupid idea. While I'm all for lower taxes this gas holiday idea doen't solve the problem, if anything it will make things worse. Last thing we need right now is more demand for gas.
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Re: Shoot... [dieselone] by imidazol97
Apr 17, 2008 (4:45 am)

Replying to: dieselone (Apr 17, 2008 4:33 am)

>doen't solve the problem, if anything it will make things worse.
 
It will allow the oil companies to continue to raise their prices.
 
If we're looking to blame it's the many years of Congress back 3 decades allowing EPA to block refineries being build. It's EPA mandating special gasolines. And lack of control of the oil companies. Maybe it's time to nationalize them.
 
Now matter how little we consume, they will always find an excuse to raise the prices higher.

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