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Re: Coming Truck Redesigns. [dieselone] by kdhspyder
Apr 11, 2008 (5:07 pm)

Replying to: dieselone (Apr 11, 2008 8:28 am)

But the heavy duty trucks aren't going anywhere anytime soon as long enough people demand them. Still a lot of people needing/wanting the capabilities of a truck.
 
No the large trucks are not going to disappear off the face of the earth because there is a real basic need for a certain number of them. But the 'image buyers' will no longer buy just because 'I gotta have a truck'. What is equally likely IMO is that those that have a real but limited need for a truck will keep the current one for purely truck duties and purchase something more efficient as a daily driver. There will no auto-re-upping from truck to truck to truck.
 
The net result will be one less truck sale for the 6 main truck makers. Repeat 100,000 times until that hardcore nugget of truck-only buyers is reached. It's like peeling away and peeling away the fruit off a peach until the hard center is found.
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Re: Coming Truck Redesigns. [nippononly] by tpe
Apr 11, 2008 (5:10 pm)

Replying to: nippononly (Apr 11, 2008 10:23 am)

There will still be people buying full sized trucks and SUVs that actually need the utility. There will be fewer people buying these vehicles for reasons like, "they enjoy the feeling of being above the other motorists".
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No Pickup by 1stpik
Apr 11, 2008 (6:01 pm)
Fewer people already are buying pickups. In 2004, Ford sold 900,000+ F-150s. Last year, they sold about 500,000.
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Re: Coming Truck Redesigns. [andre1969] by dieselone
Apr 11, 2008 (6:08 pm)

Replying to: andre1969 (Apr 11, 2008 9:48 am)

Funny thing though, my stepdad made a comment awhile back that would seem to be contrary. In 2002, they bought an F-150 with the 4.6 V-8, and sold me the '85 Silverado with the 5.0 V-8
 
Well a 4.6 powered f-150 probably is far from the most capable pickup. The power to weight ratio of that truck is probably close to that of your Silverado. I don't think a 4.6 powered F150 is rated to tow much more than 5,000-6,000lbs, probably inline with your '85 Silverado.
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Re: No Pickup [1stpik] by dieselone
Apr 11, 2008 (6:10 pm)

Replying to: 1stpik (Apr 11, 2008 6:01 pm)

Fewer people already are buying pickups. In 2004, Ford sold 900,000+ F-150s. Last year, they sold about 500,000.
 
You'd have to look at the whole market. Lots of reasons truck sales are down, fuel prices is just one reason. The housing slow down etc, is another.
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Re: No Pickup [dieselone] by gagrice
Apr 11, 2008 (6:29 pm)

Replying to: dieselone (Apr 11, 2008 6:10 pm)

Toyota sold about 200,000 Tundras last year. What did that do to the F150 sales? I don't think GM was down that much last year. As you have pointed out there are a lot of small contractors that are not getting the work and do not need a new truck. Many times a small business person will buy a new vehicle just because it is advantageous tax wise.
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Re: Coming Truck Redesigns. [nippononly] by dieselone
Apr 11, 2008 (6:38 pm)

Replying to: nippononly (Apr 11, 2008 10:23 am)

 
I'd say gas would have to hit $6-7 today for me to consider a different or additional fuel efficient vehicle. We do a pretty good job of living below our means, so energy prices have had very little effect on our finances. We're fortunate that my wife has a company car, so we don't have to pay for her gas for her commute and her personal use fees are minimal.
 
I bought the Suburban used with fairly low mileage, put 1/2 down and paid it off in less than 3 years. When I buy another, I'll buy it used too. No way will I give Ford or GM $50k of my money. I'll find a one or two year old model used for 1/2 that amount and pay cash or find a low interest loan for a few years. That way I can have a solid tow vehicle and still comfortably afford our summer hobbies of camping and boating.
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Re: Exurbia's Long Costly Commutes [ny540i6] by snakeweasel
Apr 11, 2008 (6:42 pm)

Replying to: ny540i6 (Apr 09, 2008 7:59 pm)

it often makes more sense to measure commuting in time, rather than in distance;
 
I believe I said from walking out my front door in the morning to walking back in in the evening was 9 hours. Its a little less than an half hour round trip.
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Re: Coming Truck Redesigns. [bumpy] by andre1969
Apr 12, 2008 (7:36 am)

Replying to: bumpy (Apr 11, 2008 11:21 am)

It is a bit disconcerting, when you start adding up the costs of every little trip and errand here and there. As of the last fill-up, my Intrepid came out to about 17.3 cents per mile. Or 5.78 miles per dollar, using your calculation.
 
I just came back from running errands. First to the bank, which is about 4 miles away, and then to the AAA office, which is about 7 miles away, but in the opposite direction. Total trip was 22.5 miles, which cost me $3.89 just in fuel.
 
I could've renewed my AAA membership online, saving 14 miles. However, I had a $50 rebate voucher that I could only use if I went to the office.
 
I could probably coax 12 mpg out of my '85 Silverado on that same run. However, it has a preference for high octane, and would come out to about 30 cents per mile. Or about 3.3 miles per dollar. That same errand would've cost about $6.75 if I used the truck!
 
Now I know these dollar amounts are fairly petty in the overall scheme of things. But they do add up. I remember back in the days before I bought my Intrepid, when paying more than $1.25 per gallon was rare, running around in something like my '68 Dart only came out to 9-10 cents per mile. Back in those days, it just didn't seem like all that much money, even accounting for inflation.
 
Hmm, "those days". This was just back in the 90's! I must be getting old...

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