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Re: Record Prices... [gagrice] by dieselone
Mar 14, 2008 (6:11 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Mar 14, 2008 5:42 am)

No kidding. I guess I'm just a bit cold at heart, but I don't see why my tax money should be used to bail out someone who is over their head in a house. Granted, if they can prove the lender used fraudulent lending practices, then some help should be provided.
 
But for the majority who saw interest only/ARMs as a way to get the house of their dreams, then sorry, let them foreclose the house. Last I checked the constitution doesn't state all citizens have a right to own their home.
 
Gagrice, your right on the money. It's sad that many people don't understand how compounding interest/amortization works. They just see a monthly payment that they can afford completely disregarding the actual total cost those payments.
 
Ironically vehicles are the source of money troubles for many. Many are screaming about the cost of gas, but give very little importance on what really costs them. Paying interest, taxes, insurance, etc, on a depreciating asset. Considering all of that, the fuel cost in my Suburban is small.
 
We are going to my in-laws this weekend. It's about a 300mile round trip. We can take my wifes GrandPrix (which we hate) getting 25mpg or my Suburban (much more room and less fighting between the kids) and get 16mpg on the same trip. Hmm, it will cost about $41 to drive the GP and be uncomfortable vs. $64 in the Suburban riding comfort not to mention less fighting of the kids. I'll gladly pay the extra $23.
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Re: Record Prices... [circlew] by bobw3
Mar 14, 2008 (6:11 am)

Replying to: circlew (Mar 14, 2008 6:07 am)

Of course it's spending that keeps the economy going. Look at Japan's poor economy and stock market due to folks hiding yen in boxes.
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Commuters' Tricks... by lemko
Mar 14, 2008 (6:12 am)
...to save money on fuel from the Philly newspaper:
 
http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080314_Area_commuters_find_tricks_- to_trim_gas_costs.html
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Re: Record Prices... [bobw3] by circlew
Mar 14, 2008 (6:24 am)

Replying to: bobw3 (Mar 14, 2008 6:11 am)

Oh, I don't know. Their economy is quite impressive for an island nation the size of, say, Florida.
 
The top ten economies of the world in 2004 and their respective values in millions of US dollars, after China's new tally.
 
Country US Million $
United States 11,667,515
Japan 4,623,398
Germany 2,714,418
United Kingdom 2,140,898
France 2,002,582
China 1,981,000
Italy 1,672,302
Spain 991,442
Canada 929,764
India 691,876
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Commuters' Tricks... [lemko] by kernick
Mar 14, 2008 (6:29 am)

Replying to: lemko (Mar 14, 2008 6:12 am)

I find it amazing how many people make choices to live so far from work, whether it be they don't like a neighborhood or the schools, or the housing prices. Or even take the job in the 1st place. I know there are exceptional reasons in some cases. This was not the case for many generations in the U.S., it's probably only been true the last 30 years or so.
 
But if fuel prices stay high, then there will have to be adjustments. Employers in high cost areas will either have to pay workers more, or relocate to lower cost areas where housing is affordable. And people will have to stop making the choice that "I like this town" and I'm going to take a job 60 miles away.
 
If people lived closer to work: 1) less gas overall would be burned, 2) people would drive less meaning less congestion, and 3) biking and such becomes an option at least for some or in certain good weather.
 
I also think that 5 day 8hr work-days, could be changed to 4 day 10 hr in many sorts of jobs. I know my job could transition to a 4 day week, if my company didn't have the mind-set that for fairness or normality everyone had to work 5 days.
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In about a month... by andre1969
Mar 14, 2008 (6:34 am)
it'll be warm enough to swap out the air cleaner top of my '85 Silverado, which is pie shaped, for a Dodge Dart air cleaner top, which is flat. That seems to help it breathe better, and seems to help boost economy slightly.
 
I wonder, do those aftermarket air intake kits for modern cars really do much for mpg and performance? Or is it just a gimmick? I think they make them for the Intrepid.
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Re: Record Prices... [circlew] by gagrice
Mar 14, 2008 (6:40 am)

Replying to: circlew (Mar 14, 2008 6:07 am)

I have little hope the current under 25 generation will survive after their parent's money is depleted.
 
I was raised in an era of spending what you have after you earn it. When credit debt was a write-off I could justify wasting the money on interest. Now I only buy real estate on credit that can be written off. I will not be part of making the bankers wealthy.
 
Consequently $4 gas is not an issue.
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Re: In about a month... [andre1969] by texases
Mar 14, 2008 (6:41 am)

Replying to: andre1969 (Mar 14, 2008 6:34 am)

"do those aftermarket air intake kits for modern cars really do much for mpg and performance"
 
I can imagine they might help performance at wide open throttle (less air resistance) but I don't understand why anything on the 'upstream' side of the throttle body on a modern FI engine would affect economy. If the engine's getting the right air:fuel ratio, it shouldn't matter if the filter or throttle is the source of a small amount of resistance.
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Re: In about a month... [andre1969] by gagrice
Mar 14, 2008 (6:42 am)

Replying to: andre1969 (Mar 14, 2008 6:34 am)

I put a K&N filter on my 99 Suburban. The noise level went up and the mileage went down. I think all after market stuff is marginal in value.
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Re: Commuters' Tricks... [kernick] by dieselone
Mar 14, 2008 (6:43 am)

Replying to: kernick (Mar 14, 2008 6:29 am)

No kidding on the commute. But in some cities you don't have much choice, like Chicago. My MIL lives in NW Indiana and works in downtown Chicago. I don't know how she does it, but she gets up at 4am every morning and doesn't get home until around 7pm M-F. With Chicago traffic it sometime takes over 2 hours for her to get to her office. She does carpool, but still I couldn't do that commute day in and day out.
 
We almost got transferred to Chicago and we would have been in the same boat. Housing around the Deerfield area is outrageous. $400k (+ high property taxes)nets a very modest house. Go out 30+ miles and you can save over $100k on the house and less property taxes. So pick your poison, expensive housing or commuting.
 
Property taxes are getting way out of line in many areas. We are paying $8k/yr on a $350-$400k house in central Illinois. The monthly cost of the property taxes alone is more than the rent on our first apartment when we got married 12 years ago.

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