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Re: What will you do when gas price rises above $4/ gallon? [altest] by bumpy
Apr 08, 2007 (6:21 am)

Replying to: altest (Apr 08, 2007 6:04 am)

The short answer is CARB.
 
The California Air Resources Board set emission standards for car and light trucks diesels so stringently that no manufacturer in the world could meet them. (Trucks and SUVs over 7500 pounds GVW were exempt, which is why GM, Ford, and Dodge sell heavy-duty diesel pickups.) Other states adopted CARB regulations, with the result that about 40% of the US population was effectively barred from registering new diesel vehicles. With only 60% of the potential market available, most manufacturers elected not to pay the expenses of certifying diesel vehicles for sale in the US. Mercedes-Benz and VW revived their US diesel offerings in the late '90s, apparently deciding that they could make enough per-unit profit to pay for the certification costs.
 
The advent of low-sulfur diesel (which allows the use of catalytic converters), the alignment of US and European diesel emission standards, and the development of new engines, catalysts, and particulate filters to meet those standards means that the tidal wave of European diesel engines (GM, Ford, Toyota, and everyone else you can think of already sell diesels in Europe) can finally make its way to this side of the Atlantic.
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Now to get used to by iluvmysephia1
Apr 08, 2007 (6:49 am)
that rattly, anemic sounding diesel engine sound at all points in the U.S. MPG increases sound only plausible, not a "for sure" thing. And don't forget that nice smelly black belch out the back from trucks and buses. Add a few mil automobiles to the mix and...air pollution...it will get...better?
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Re: What will you do when gas price rises above $4/ gallon? [gagrice] by isellhondas
Apr 08, 2007 (8:10 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Apr 07, 2007 3:32 pm)

I may feel the same way?
 
I keep hearing how the newer diesels won't stink so I'll reserve judgement unil then.
 
I don't see sales taking off but I could be wrong.
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diesel by nj2pa2nc
Apr 08, 2007 (1:25 pm)
the one good thing about having a diesel car (especially our 1980 volvo diesel) it would stop tailgaters. If a driver got to close I would downshift and there would be a nice big cloud of smoke. It definately did not have pep. The turbo-diesel volvo and turbo-diesel mercedes were alot better
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Re: What will you do when gas price rises above $4/ gallon? [bumpy] by altest
Apr 08, 2007 (2:10 pm)

Replying to: bumpy (Apr 08, 2007 6:21 am)

Great response. Sounds like Europeans have more reasonable standards. I would love to see GM, Toyota, etc. sell some diesel vehicles in the US.
 
Ethanol can't offer better mpg, and price of ethanol is going to go up as more and more start using ethanol. Hybrids are good options if you drive a lot on local roads. I don't think hybrids help when you are going at 70 mph on interstates. Bye the way, I also keep hearing about CNG (Compressed Natural Gas) as being one of the options --- do any of you know if CNG can help?
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Re: diesel [nj2pa2nc] by altest
Apr 08, 2007 (5:17 pm)

Replying to: nj2pa2nc (Apr 08, 2007 1:25 pm)

OOPS... I don't understand technology that well. What is the difference between "diesel" and "turbo-diesel"? They both offer same mpg?
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Re: diesel [altest] by gagrice
Apr 08, 2007 (5:38 pm)

Replying to: altest (Apr 08, 2007 5:17 pm)

It has nothing to do with the fuel. A turbo is a device added to an engine of any kind to boost pressure and give more power. A turbo diesel engine is the most common sold today.
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I'd imagine... by andre1969
Apr 08, 2007 (6:05 pm)
that a turbo-Diesel would give you the power when you need it, along with increased fuel consumption if you're a heavy-footed driver. But if you drive it fairly gently, I imagine that fuel economy would still be close to an equivalent non-turbo Diesel?
 
I've never owned a Diesel, but did have a turbo...a 1988 LeBaron turbo coupe. That sucker was pretty economical for the time, if you didn't drive it too hard. It wasn't too hard to get into the lower 30's on the highway, which was especially commendable since that car only had a 3-speed automatic...no overdrive.
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Re: I'd imagine... [andre1969] by altest
Apr 08, 2007 (6:39 pm)

Replying to: andre1969 (Apr 08, 2007 6:05 pm)

Good info. Jetta and Passat turbodiesel models will now join Camry Hybrid in my shopping list. In a year or two, I will trade in my Protege for a bigger car. I want a bigger car and not a thirstier car. Unfortunately, the Volkswagens are more expensive. I wish Chevy made a diesel version of Impala.
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turbo by oldharry
Apr 08, 2007 (6:43 pm)
In diesels, turbo chargers increase efficiency. A diesel does not throttle air, only fuel. The turbo uses waste heat (energy) from the exhaust to increase the charge of air in the cylinders. More air means greater increase in pressure from burning the same amount of fuel at lower peak temperatures, therefore losing less energy to the cooling system.
 
Turbos on gas engines increase fuel and air, so economy suffers, but power increases.
 
Harry

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