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Automotive News & Views Is Ford's End Right Behind Chrysler's?
180 messages, Last post on Nov 08, 2007 at 7:04 PM
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Replying to: akirby (Jun 04, 2007 6:02 am)
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Replying to: jeyhoe (Jun 04, 2007 6:46 am) But I guess you'd rather take things out of context for bashing instead of looking at the real facts.
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Replying to: akirby (Jun 04, 2007 7:11 am) Well I guess I'm not privy to the 'facts' like you are. Do you work for Ford? I merely repeated what the Detroit News said. They compared Fords' #s to everyone else and once again, Ford came out looking like sh%$. I guess you'd rather be a sychophant for crappy, non-competitive product and an apologist for a company recently passed by Toyota in sales, passed by Hyundai in quality and exceeded only by Enron in stupidity of management decisions?
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Replying to: jeyhoe (Jun 04, 2007 7:29 am) Ford is not even close to being passed by Hyundai in quality - where did you read that? Ford's stupid management decisions of the past have now been corrected. In case you didn't hear Fields and Mulally are now in charge and making much better decisions. But you won't see the fruits of these changes across the company for another 18-24 months. Try understanding something before you blindly start bashing. |
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Replying to: akirby (Jun 04, 2007 7:42 am) Motor Trend this month has the Interceptor on it's cover. Says that it's a make it or break it for Ford. And sets 2012 as release date. It really takes Ford 5 years to get a car out the door? And about 10 to get a decent copy of a successful Chrysler product on the market? As for Hyundai, I was referring to the Verzcruz which according to all tests I've seen bests everything in it's class including the Lexus, with the MKX at the bottom of the heap. Does it not bother you that Lincoln can not even compete with Hyundai??? And I havent seen comparos between the MKZ and the Azera, but I think I know how they would turn out. Somebody at Ford better start designing and releasing competitve product SOON or even I will be driving a Korean or Chinese import. As to the moderator, you expect information that is helpful to prospective purchasers, but you want to prevent the fact that the MKX has inferior brakes to be brought up again? If you applied that rule to all problems and all forums, you'd be down about 80% in total number of posts. |
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Replying to: jeyhoe (Jun 04, 2007 8:11 am) I don't have a problem with "again". But again, again & again gets boring, and causes me to question the objectivity and motivation of the poster. Venting is OK, but please spare us and do it somewhere else. Have you written to Ford expressing your concerns and profound understanding of what they should do, and the mistakes they have made? If not, then it's clear that the motivation is to vent, damage Ford, and/or bash, and not to contribute anything positive.
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Replying to: lateralg (Jun 04, 2007 8:25 am) Everything is hunky-dory with Ford and the MKX can stop on a dime. |
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Replying to: jeyhoe (Jun 04, 2007 8:11 am) Once again you don't have the facts straight. It wasn't his idea - but he approved it quickly and for good reason. The 500 name had a recognition factor around 30% - the Taurus name has a 80% recognition factor. There are millions - yes, millions - of satisfied Taurus owners who never knew the 500 existed (or didn't care) but who are excited about the "new" Taurus. Let's come back to this discussion in about 6 months. I guarantee a significant increase in sales for the Taurus compared to the current 500. As for the VeraCruz being better - that's subjective. Let's compare sales figures in a few months.
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Replying to: akirby (Jun 04, 2007 8:41 am) By his standards, Lexus is in trouble, too, because that test said that the VeraCruz beat the Lexus. |
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Replying to: akirby (Jun 04, 2007 8:41 am) As if all Ford really needs to turn it all around right now is a couple of the *right* decisions, some good memos, and bang, Ford's on par with Toyota in 2008. Come on. The renaming IMO is a no-brainer. Easy, and sends a signal that he at least understands the history of what Ford did well. |
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