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#131 of 180 Re: So you have a source [drfill] by grbeck Jul 12, 2007 (4:49 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Jul 12, 2007 12:50 pm) He's a poster on blueovalnews.com who has been credible in the past. Whether he is credible this time...we will find out soon enough.   Although if Edmunds.com is correct, then Ford really is toast.
#132 of 180 Re: John [drfill] by grbeck Jul 12, 2007 (5:01 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Jul 12, 2007 2:43 pm) Comparing Prius sales to Mustang sales is hardly an apples-to-apples comparison.   The F-150 easily outsells the Prius...does that mean that the Prius is hardly doing "box-office business?"
#133 of 180 My point is by drfill Jul 12, 2007 (5:14 pm)
Mustang is a household name, over 40 years. American icon, and most are cheaper than the Prius!      It says a lot about the direction of both cars that they are running in opposite directions.      Mustang was a volume seller when I worked for Ford.       DrFill Replies to this message: john_324 (Jul 13, 2007 8:39 am)
#134 of 180 Re: My point is [drfill] by john_324 Jul 13, 2007 (8:39 am)
Replying to: drfill (Jul 12, 2007 5:14 pm) To me anyway, it doesn't seem that much of a stretch that in a time of rising gas prices, a small commuter car that gets great mileage is outselling a thirsty, rwd sport coupe that most people buy as a second, "fun" car...   Dr. Fill...when you worked at Ford, how did Mustang sales stack up against those of the Ford sedans?
#135 of 180 Depends on fleet numbers at that time by drfill Jul 13, 2007 (12:03 pm)
Prius is no sedan, so I'm not getting your point.      Ford Focus was busy being recalled .      DrFill Replies to this message: john_324 (Jul 13, 2007 2:18 pm)
#136 of 180 Re: Depends on fleet numbers at that time [drfill] by john_324 Jul 13, 2007 (2:18 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Jul 13, 2007 12:03 pm) No point, just a question.   Seems to me that a good indicator of the health of the Mustang might be the proportion of Mustang sales to those of more practical vehicles. The first step would be looking at how it stacks up internally at Ford.
#137 of 180 Re: I dunno [nippononly] by jd10013 Jul 13, 2007 (4:39 pm)
Replying to: nippononly (Jun 11, 2007 7:12 pm) hey apparently need to build 100K per year just to break even. Sheesh. What is going on over there   UAW   Ford and the UAW are set to start talk july 20th. should be very interesting. What happens then will probably have more of an effect on fords future than anything else. If they get rolled again, wouldn't be surprised if they just let the company go into bankruptcy in order finnaly break the UAW, and get to dump their pension obligations. Replies to this message: grbeck (Jul 15, 2007 2:28 pm) jd10013 (Jul 16, 2007 6:56 am) steve_ (Jul 16, 2007 7:03 am)
#138 of 180 Re: I dunno [jd10013] by grbeck Jul 15, 2007 (2:28 pm)
Replying to: jd10013 (Jul 13, 2007 4:39 pm) If Ford goes bankrupt, the Ford family loses its stake in the company (as do all shareholders). For that fact alone, I seriously doubt that management will use bankruptcy as a tactic to rid the company of the UAW. Replies to this message: jd10013 (Jul 16, 2007 6:56 am) steve_ (Jul 16, 2007 7:03 am)
#139 of 180 Re: I dunno [grbeck] by jd10013 Jul 16, 2007 (6:56 am)
Replying to: grbeck (Jul 15, 2007 2:28 pm) No they don't. they file for bankruptcy protection, get to work out a debt repayment plan, hand all their pennsion headace's over to the governments pension gaurante fund and more or less force whatever concessions from the union that they want. It exactly what some of the airlines did. Replies to this message: steve_ (Jul 16, 2007 7:03 am)
#140 of 180 Re: I dunno [jd10013] by steve_ HOST Jul 16, 2007 (7:03 am)
Replying to: jd10013 (Jul 16, 2007 6:56 am) Not necessarily. United is the example I can think of off-hand. United shareholders got left holding the bag in the recent Ch. 11 (and taxpayers got stuck with UAL pensions). (link)   The Fords have a different class of stock than mere mortal shareholders, but I think they could still be at risk.

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