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#123 of 180 More Food For Thought by drfill Jul 12, 2007 (11:51 am)
Replying to: drfill (Jul 12, 2007 11:15 am) Ford expects to lose its grip on second place in the American market sometime this year, when it is overtaken by Toyota. Ford’s market share has fallen to 17.5 percent last year, from 25.7 percent a decade ago. By the end of the year, Ford’s internal projections show that the company may even fall to fourth place, behind Toyota, the Chrysler unit of DaimlerChrysler and General Motors, the market leader.       This quote comes from this article from last year:       http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/25/business/25cnd-ford.html?ex=1327381200&en=6fc08f5f537a8aa6&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss        Having worked for Ford, back in the day, I had seen the writing on the wall. Now my fears are coming to fruition.      Ford Escape and Edge are moderate success stories. Fusion isn't replacing Camry or Accord anytime soon.      The future couldn't be more hazy for Ford.       DrFill
#125 of 180 Re: Ford Deathwatch 2007 [drfill] by grbeck Jul 12, 2007 (12:39 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Jul 12, 2007 11:15 am) That information is not necessarily accurate. Here is a list of engines, along with debut dates, from an insider on another website: The truck will launch in 2008 with: 4V DOHC 3.7l V6 - Port Fuel Injected (i.e. non-Direct injected)(about 280 ft.lbf at 2000 rpm) (not sure about transmission) 3V SOHC 4.6l V8 with 6speed auto (Explorer combo - 292 hp and 300 lb.-ft) 3V SOHC 5.4l 6speed auto (Expedition combo - 300 hp and 365 lb.-ft ) - it is very likely Ford Re-wroked this engine for increased power and torque so the numbers are likely to go up. NO BOSS ENGINES   2009 1/2 Model (February 2009) will add: 2V SOHC 6.2l V8 BOSS engine with 6speed auto (about 400hp)   2010 Model (fall 2009) will add: DOHC 4.4l Common Rail Diesel with CGI block (315hp and 520 lb-ft) 4V DOHC 3.5l V6 - Twin Turbocharged Direct injected (Twin Force - 350hp, 380 lb-ft at 2000 rpm)   2011 or 2012 model will add: 4V DOHC 6.2l V8 - Twin independent variable cam timing, twin turbocharged, direct injected (Twin Force - over 650 lb - ft)   There will be a V6 - the all-new 3.7 liter - available from day one.   I have also not heard any credible information that the Mustang is going away after 2009. There is supposedly a rework planned.
#126 of 180 So you have a source by drfill Jul 12, 2007 (12:50 pm)
That will discredit, basically, this site, and Ford's suppliers, is that correct?      Who would that be?      DrFill Replies to this message: british_rover (Jul 12, 2007 2:34 pm) grbeck (Jul 12, 2007 4:49 pm)
#127 of 180 Re: Ford Deathwatch 2007 [drfill] by john_324 Jul 12, 2007 (2:16 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Jul 12, 2007 11:15 am) "with the demise of the Mustang slated for 2009"   You must mean that the current Mustang is going to be redesigned in 2009, right?   The Mustang is not going away in 2009, or frankly anytime in the near future.
#128 of 180 Re: So you have a source [drfill] by british_rover Jul 12, 2007 (2:34 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Jul 12, 2007 12:50 pm) Land Rover people I have talked to confirmed the diesel F-150 thing although they won't give me a firm time line.   Remember that diesel engine is based on the CGI block TDV8 Euro spec Range Rover engine.
#129 of 180 John by drfill Jul 12, 2007 (2:43 pm)
I meant in value, with the '09 Camaro hitting next summer. So really '08.       My sources tell me a redesign is not until the following year.      Not that the current Mustang is doing box-office business. Prius outsells it rather easily.       DrFill Replies to this message: british_rover (Jul 12, 2007 4:40 pm) grbeck (Jul 12, 2007 5:01 pm)
#130 of 180 Re: John [drfill] by british_rover Jul 12, 2007 (4:40 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Jul 12, 2007 2:43 pm) Yeah no SMUG problem at all there.
#131 of 180 Re: So you have a source [drfill] by grbeck Jul 12, 2007 (4:49 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Jul 12, 2007 12:50 pm) He's a poster on blueovalnews.com who has been credible in the past. Whether he is credible this time...we will find out soon enough.   Although if Edmunds.com is correct, then Ford really is toast.
#132 of 180 Re: John [drfill] by grbeck Jul 12, 2007 (5:01 pm)
Replying to: drfill (Jul 12, 2007 2:43 pm) Comparing Prius sales to Mustang sales is hardly an apples-to-apples comparison.   The F-150 easily outsells the Prius...does that mean that the Prius is hardly doing "box-office business?"

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