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Is Ford's End Right Behind Chrysler's?

180 messages,  Last post on Nov 08, 2007 at 7:04 PM

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morning news by steve_ HOST
Jun 11, 2007 (8:50 am)
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Today's rumors say that Jag and Land Rover are on the block and that Ford has hired Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley to help package a deal explore options. (CNN).
 
The story also says that a sale of Volvo isn't being explored (at least with this process), just the luxury brands.
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Putting Jag and Land Rover.. by jchan2
Jun 11, 2007 (9:29 am)
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on the block makes sense. As a package, though, the only company that I think would be interested would be Hyundai, and they seem to think that developing a luxury model and perhaps a luxury brand in house is cheaper than buying the problems and red ink associated with Jag/Land Rover.
 
Keeping Volvo makes sense; it's making money, and Ford has access to Volvo's safety technology.
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Speaking of the Fusion... by jchan2
Jun 11, 2007 (9:31 am)
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They're chasing after the Accord and Camry, but so is the Saturn Aura.
 
And what will happen next year when there is a new Accord on the market and people think that the Accord is worlds ahead? The same happened with the Sonata and Camry. People thought the Sonata would give the Camry a run for it's money until the new 07 models came out, and then the Camry became the front runner.
 
I think Saturn and Ford have a better shot at going after the Koreans (Sonata, Optima) and maybe the Altima. The Camry/Accord just have too many loyal buyers, and a new Accord is in the works.
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Re: Speaking of the Fusion... [jchan2] by usedcarsonly
Jun 11, 2007 (10:16 am)
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Replying to: jchan2 (Jun 11, 2007 9:31 am)

jchan2, absolutely. That's what I was trying to say, but not as eloquently.
 
When you're 9th on the edmunds list, you don't push yourself as better than #1 and #2. First, beat the competition just ahead of you, climb the ladder, build momentum, then go after the top dogs.
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Volvo by fezo
Jun 11, 2007 (10:27 am)
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I still figure Ford would do well to kill Mercury, which has no unique models, and replace it with Volvo. It would give the folks that are now Lincoln Mercury dealers some real different product and they'd only have to buy off a few Volvo dealers in the process. Not like when GM killed Oldsmobile and had to pay off all the Olds dealers - there were lots more of them!
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B-Rover by drfill
Jun 11, 2007 (11:24 am)
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I appreciate the thought, but this isn't the prison yard (unless you work for Ford ).
 
  Fusion doesn't have the rocks to punch the leaders in the teeth. Nor does Ford.
 
  Hyundai and the Domestics are in a similar boat. Build credibility first. Make sure your sold customers know you have a hot new product that is competitive.
  
  If you sell for Ford, send mailers to your Explorer, F-150, and Expedition customers promoting the new Fusion and re-introduced Taurus. Give your customer base reason to stick around. The easiest sale to make is to your sold customers. Ford has a nice size base. Start building at home.
 
  Hyundai has a tougher road, theoretically.
 
  Throwing high and tight to Albert Pujols may not be the best career move. Anyone want to be Brad Lidge?
 
  And the Ford ads clearly call the Fusion AWD, and sports sedan, and more fun to drive than Accord/Camry. Maybe it should target Altima, if that's there angle?
 
  Ford searching for traction, can't fault them on that. Smaller, slower prey would be wise for now.
 
  DrFill
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I dunno by nippononly
Jun 11, 2007 (7:12 pm)
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Automotive News is reporting that all three brands, including Volvo, are for sale. And that Fiat was very close to buying Jag and LR, then broke off at the last minute.
 
http://www.autonews.com/
 
Dump the whole crowd, dump Mercury, and just fix Ford and Lincoln. That should be their plan. They will need the money from the sale, every penny, just to fix those two brands.
 
Word is now that the Ranger will likely go in the dumper after next year, no replacement planned, as they apparently need to build 100K per year just to break even. Sheesh. What is going on over there? How can they be so much worse off than GM?
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Re: I dunno [nippononly] by bpizzuti
Jun 11, 2007 (7:21 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Jun 11, 2007 7:12 pm)

They'd be insane to dump Mazda...All the cars that aren't Volvo based are Mazda based.
 
Mazda makes a compact pickup. They can just Americanize it.
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Re: I dunno [bpizzuti] by bumpy
Jun 12, 2007 (10:31 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jun 11, 2007 7:21 pm)

The BT-50? That's a derivative of the Ford Ranger that everyone else in the world gets. Ford just needs to bring in the global Ranger as knock-down kits or something.
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What If.. by jchan2
Jun 12, 2007 (6:02 pm)
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Ford packaged Jaguar, Land Rover, and Volvo together into an entity called "Premier Automotive Group" and then put together an IPO? Could that possibly raise more cash than just selling the thing to another automaker? Ford could keep say, a 20% share in the new entity, while being able to raise cash by selling the other 80%. The cash would have to stay with PAG though, but the money could go towards new products for Land Rover/Jaguar/Volvo, which could be passed down into Ford after a few years... (sort of like how the previous generation S80 platform has been transformed into the Five Hundred/Taurus)
 
Mercury needs to be dumped though; not much of a point in it. I know it brings extra sales, but at what expense? If they want Lincoln to be a credible luxury brand, the dealerships can't have a $15,990 Milan parked next to a $40,000+ Navigator.
 
I wonder if Ford has had someone run the numbers on closing Mercury and whether they decided against it...

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