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#171 of 180 Re: in other news (let's move along in other words) [volvomax] by boaz47 Oct 06, 2007 (1:12 pm)
Replying to: volvomax (Oct 04, 2007 1:33 pm) well Nissan needed 58 Billion and got a lot more than the infusion of money. They Lost control of their company to Renault and Renault appointed one of their own as CEO and CFO. So looking at Sales in the US I will agree Ford is bleeding red. But they are a long way from falling below companies like VW and Nissan in the US. The whole market is down in the US right now and who knows what it might take to turn it around. But still I wouldn't hold my breath and believe the government wouldn't step in to save Ford if they looked like they might go under. Japan does with restriction on how much of a company a foreign power can own. Korea does when if almost forced Hyundai to buy the bankrupt Kia.   I will freely admit that I didn't realize that the Tundra was anywhere near the sales figures of the Ford F series Trucks. Last time I looked Ford was selling something like 600k or 700k F-series and I didn't know Tundra had increased sales over 200k yet. But ever since I decided to retire I stopped subscribing to Morgan and Company because of the subscription fee. But anything is possible. Ford could go and take Volvo, Jag, and Land rover with it. GM could kill Saab. Many have predicted a world with maybe three auto manufacturers like GM, Toyota and VAG. I just doubt if the end is that near. Besides it Looks like GM may have negotiated a pretty good deal to get some UAW relief in their last contract. You and I may be paying for some of those union pensions before Ford has to close shop. Replies to this message: volvomax (Oct 08, 2007 9:29 am) boaz47 (Oct 11, 2007 12:43 pm) carguy58 (Oct 12, 2007 5:18 pm)
#172 of 180 Re: in other news (let's move along in other words) [boaz47] by volvomax Oct 08, 2007 (9:29 am)
Replying to: boaz47 (Oct 06, 2007 1:12 pm) One could argue(correctly IMO) that the management team at Nissan was responsible for their mess to begin with. Carlos Ghosn has been berry berry good to Nissan Replies to this message: boaz47 (Oct 11, 2007 12:43 pm) carguy58 (Oct 12, 2007 5:18 pm)
#173 of 180 Another Toyota Defector by steve_ HOST Oct 11, 2007 (12:17 pm)
This time to Ford:   "James Farley, head of Toyota's luxury division, is leaving to head Ford marketing. He had also headed Toyota's Scion division, overseeing the launch of the trendy, youth-oriented car brand. He had been with Toyota for 17 years."   Ford lures Lexus chief away (CNN Money)   Ford stock is up 7% today as I post this. Replies to this message: drfill (Oct 11, 2007 4:07 pm)
#174 of 180 Re: in other news (let's move along in other words) [volvomax] by boaz47 Oct 11, 2007 (12:43 pm)
Replying to: volvomax (Oct 08, 2007 9:29 am) I agree and I thought they were going under. I had friends that were working for Nissan in California and they were all worried about their jobs. Lost them anyway or they had to move to the south when Nissan left California.   Still Ford has a long way to go before we can close the lid on the box.
#176 of 180 Re: Another Toyota Defector [steve_] by drfill Oct 11, 2007 (4:07 pm)
Replying to: steve_ (Oct 11, 2007 12:17 pm) Hey, if you can't beat 'em, buy 'em!       DrFill
#177 of 180 Re: in other news (let's move along in other words) [volvomax] by lemko Oct 12, 2007 (4:27 am)
Replying to: volvomax (Oct 04, 2007 1:33 pm) I dunno. I think the Fusion is pretty nice. The Focus is way outdated and looks stupid with those chrome scoops on the front fenders. Why don't they just take a page from Saturn's playbook and bring over the Euro Focus? Replies to this message: volvomax (Oct 12, 2007 9:59 am)
#178 of 180 Re: in other news (let's move along in other words) [lemko] by volvomax Oct 12, 2007 (9:59 am)
Replying to: lemko (Oct 12, 2007 4:27 am) Euro Focus would cost too much to bring over.   At least the tooling is paid for on the US Focus, so Ford won't lose money on it.
#179 of 180 Re: in other news (let's move along in other words) [volvomax] by carguy58 Oct 12, 2007 (5:18 pm)
Replying to: volvomax (Oct 08, 2007 9:29 am) One could argue(correctly IMO) that the management team at Nissan was responsible for their mess to begin with. Carlos Ghosn has been berry berry good to Nissan   I think the exterior designer at Nissan his exterior design ideas(Jerry Hirschbergs) got stale in the mid to late 90's and that led to Nissan's decline before Ghosn went in there and singlehandily solved Nissan;s exterioe designs problems. I mean the 2000 Maxima redesign or refresh(whatever you want to call it) was a terrible mistake I think. Its interseting Renault did buy into Nissan into 1999 but yet Renuault let the 2000 Maxima go as is into production. They should have just kept the whole interior of the 2000 Maxima as is because the interior was top of the line and redo the whole 2000 Maxima exterior body style before it went into production. I think Ghosn or Nissan for that matter did redo some of the 2001 Sentra exterior bodystyle before it was released in early 2000 because it was too conservative.   The 95 Sentra did get a little refresh in 99 I think and the Pathfinder(relased brand new as a 1997 model) did get a refresh and the refreshed model did get a unique model year name called the 99.5 Pathfinder I think.
#180 of 180 numbers aren't looking too bad by steve_ HOST Nov 08, 2007 (7:04 pm)
"Ford, considered by many industry executives to be the sickest of Detroit's Big Three, yesterday surprised investors by sharply narrowing its third-quarter loss and forecasting it would break even for the year and generate positive cash flow.   Ford's results -- while weak compared with the profits announced by Japanese rivals Toyota Motor Corp. and Honda Motor Co. -- outshone those of crosstown rival GM..."   WSJ (paid link most likely)

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