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SUVs Honda CR-V Honda CR-V Rear Differential Problem?
398 messages, Last post on Dec 01, 2009 at 10:22 AM
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Replying to: tuldav (Oct 08, 2009 6:19 am) |
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Replying to: Francisder (Oct 08, 2009 4:54 pm) |
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My Honda CRV 2006 was making that grinding noise attributed to the rear differential shortly after purchase. I didn't initially undestand what was causing the noise. I could not get the Honda dealer to acknowledge the noise and do the service until I was at 34,000 miles. This cost $70 in 2007. Now at 60,000 I need it again. My present mechanic says that I need to have the differential flushed 3 times at a cost of $133 per flush. This would be a total of $400!! Have you ever heard of this? I thought he was trustworthy, but now have serious doubts. Please let me know what you think.
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Replying to: shelley8 (Oct 10, 2009 7:56 pm) Now at 60,000 I need it again. My present mechanic says that I need to have the differential flushed 3 times at a cost of $133 per flush. This would be a total of $400!! Have you ever heard of this? I thought he was trustworthy, but now have serious doubts. Please let me know what you think. There is nothing wrong with the differential. It is part of the regular maintenance to replace fluids. Rear diffeerntial fluid needs to be replaced every 30,000 miles, or figure every 3rd oil change at 10,000 mile intervals. If the differential is making noise, it needs to be replaced 3 times with short drives in between to get 90% of the fluid out. It should not cost more than $20 in parts. It takes 1.1 qts (1 liter) and Honda sells the fluid for approximately $6/quart. You will need to buy 4 quarts, and will have some left for the next service. At $133 per flush you may as well go to the dealer, as they will charge about $70 for all 3 flushes. DO NOT let your mechanic put anything but HONDA DPFor DPF II in there, or you will be looking at $3000 rear differential. Same applies to the automatic transmission, the fluid should be changed around 30,000 miles, and if shifts are hard or notchy, the fluid should be replaced 3 times with short drives in between. Under no circumstances should a Honda be connected to a FLUID FLUSH machine. Might as well just burn it then. Good luck.
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Oct 13, 2009 8:45 am) |
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We own a 2006 CRV with 63,000 miles on it. We will have owned it for four years in November. We are the original owners and I have serious doubts of ever purchasing a Honda automobile ever again. As many, I have read, are experiencing, I began to notice a sort of bumping and slight tremor while turning a sharper left or right. I took the car to our local mechanic. He informed me that it was a rear differential issue to which I asked what is a rear differential. He walked me through it all and told me to get into Honda because it was also leaking, needed to be addressed soon and that this may be under warranty. He further stated that this did not just happen overnight either, that the seal deterioration was going on for some time. I made the appointment for the following morning. Our local dealership looked at it and told me yes, it was the rear differential and it was leaking. (Which they stated they were surprised with because "they never see this happen"). They further stated that to replace the two axle seals and change out the differential fluid would cost $578. I asked them about warranty coverage and after some poking and prodding they said they would call corporate but that I was out of warranty and the fluid is a maintenance issue. I told them I had never even heard of rear differential prior to the day before and always refer to my Honda Service History booklet when scheduling mileage or year maintenance, and if I was supposed to get the fluid changed out I certainly would have. The local dealer tried their best to pin this all on the fact that I do not use them for my regular maintenance which is complete garbage. Last I checked this is America and I can take my car where ever I get good service. For me, that is my local Goodyear around the corner from our house. As it turns out they didn't have the parts anyway and I would have to come back. Meanwhile I was to expect a call when they heard back from Honda Corporate. They did call later that day and informed me that out of the kindness of their heart, Corporate was only going to charge me for half the price of the seals which would total $71. They also stated that because the fluid is a maintenance issue I would be charged the full $158 for that. I told them to get the parts and scheduled an appointment for today. I also told them that we had done some research and found Honda Corp. is aware of the issue (bulletins) and that many owners are having the same problem. Further - I told her my Honda Service History booklet does not recommend replacing the rear differential fluid until 90,000 miles or five years. Boy did she try and argue that - with no leg to stand on. Her favorite excuse was that "in your manual it states that in extreme driving conditions (Florida) the rear differential fluid should be checked every 20,000 miles". Well guess what - no where in my manual does it read that. It was something she found and printed from online. So long story short we got taken. Taken by our local dealership, taken by Honda Corporate. I'm a sole-proprietor and I lost three days worth of work just to get taken. Total bill $253.45. Total hassle - more than Honda has. Won't be buying a Honda again.
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Oct 13, 2009 8:45 am) Since the rear differential fluid needs changing regularly I'd say this should be highlighted in the owner's manual. I've only had the car serviced at dealers, and no one mentioned this. The owner has to know where to look and what to look for to find it in the manual. Granted, the car was just coming up on 30K and hadn't begun making any noise until a week previous to bringing it in. And at first the noise is hardly noticeable. Some owners have asked about tires. My Goodrich OEs were ok at first but at 20K were so noisy my missus avoided the car and didn't want to hear that they had a year's worth of tread left. (According to Tire Rack this is par for the course with this tire.) So I switched to Goodyear ComforTreads, and it's like a different car -- much quiter on the highway, much less bangy on bumps. |
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Replying to: ecranos (Oct 20, 2009 1:33 pm) 1) Your car is still in warranty at 63,000 miles, since 2006 came with 5 year/60,000 mile powertrain warranty. Differential is part of the power train. Because Honda has settled a law suit and agreed to 5% odomter error, 63,000 is exactly within the warranty limitation. 2) The OWNER's MANUAL lists 2 schedules, Normal and Severe. lPage 185lists the definition of Severe Service, and FL would be under it for the heat. Page 188 indeed tells you to check all the fluid levels and condition at 20,000 miles, or every year. And absolutely recommends replacing the fluid at 60,000 mile intervals. Just because you did not know, or Goodyear did not know the vehicle had a rear differential (how do you suppose the power gets to the rear wheels from the engine upfront???) does not mean it should not be serviced. Besides, I HIGHLY doubt that Goodyear would go out of their way and buy Dual Pump Fluid from Honda to put in there. Maybe it is a godsend that they are clueless and did not know about the rear differential. Any other fluid would have destroyed it, and you would have been stuck with a $3000 repair tab. While, I agree that this is America, and you are free to take your vehicle anywhere to be serviced. You should also mind that you are driving a Honda, not a GM/Ford/Toyota....product. Honda uses unique components and designs that a chain like Goodyear would have knowledge about. Best is to go to an independant garage specializing in Hondas. Or service it your self. The TSB's are avaialbe for anyone, who wants to, to view. |
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Meant to ask a Q in my previous post -- Does anyone use BG oil additive? The dealer I bought the car from recommends this additive, saying since the car isn't used every day, it could be helpful at start up, especially in the winter. The dealer closest to me said Honda doesn't recommend any additive, winter or not, used daily or not. I'm impressed with someone who stands to make a buck, but will tell the customer a product might not hurt but isn't needed. Any other .02?
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