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Honda CR-V Rear Differential Problem?

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Re: differentiating differentials [blueiedgod] by cdamech
Apr 18, 2009 (2:49 am)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Apr 17, 2009 11:54 am)

On my 2006 at 60K Km, my Honda CRV started shaking and vibrating again with the same symptoms when I had the differential problem at 27K Km. I took it in to Honda and they replaced the front Steering fluid pump under warranty. It still shook and called the service advisor who did not return my call. I called the Service Manager who went and did a test drive with me. He authorized a rear differential fluid flush (3 times) the standard treatment for the rear differential problem. This was all done under warranty as Honda must increase coverage by 5% over 60K Km main body train warranty to 63 K Km in Canada.
No questions asked and Honda service manager was very professional and went out of his way to make me happy.
Obviously HONDA knows that their rear differentials have issues. I was totally impressed with HONDA service manager.
By the way I have an Engineering degree with an MBA and do know something about cars.
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Re: differentiating differentials [blueiedgod] by tidester HOST
Apr 18, 2009 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Apr 17, 2009 11:54 am)

It is like using any stereotype about people.
 
I have a hard time equating people with differentials.
 
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Re: differentiating differentials [cdamech] by blueiedgod
Apr 20, 2009 (12:26 pm)
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Replying to: cdamech (Apr 18, 2009 2:49 am)

On my 2006 at 60K Km, my Honda CRV started shaking and vibrating again with the same symptoms when I had the differential problem at 27K Km. I took it in to Honda and they replaced the front Steering fluid pump under warranty. It still shook and called the service advisor who did not return my call. I called the Service Manager who went and did a test drive with me. He authorized a rear differential fluid flush (3 times) the standard treatment for the rear differential problem. This was all done under warranty as Honda must increase coverage by 5% over 60K Km main body train warranty to 63 K Km in Canada.
No questions asked and Honda service manager was very professional and went out of his way to make me happy.
Obviously HONDA knows that their rear differentials have issues. I was totally impressed with HONDA service manager.
By the way I have an Engineering degree with an MBA and do know something about cars.

 
Then the engineering degree should have suggested that the problem is with the fluid breaking down, not differential.
 
By subtracting equations:
 
Same differential, old fluid = does not work
Same differential, new fluid = works
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Old Fluid = does not work.
 
Do Hondas in Canada come with longer powertrain warranty than the bumper to bumper warranty? The ones in the US come with 3 year/36,000 mile bumper to bumper, and 5 years/60,000 mile powertrain warranty.
 
Not sure if the 5% increase was due to law suit settled in the US over the odometer inaccuracy.
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Re: differentiating differentials [blueiedgod] by terryp1
Jun 02, 2009 (10:02 am)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Apr 17, 2009 11:54 am)

You apparently believe that Honda's staff isn't smart enough or educated enough to publish an owner's manual that reflects the nature of the vehicle, including one with a Honda RT4WD differential.
If it happens that they've produced a differential that needs its oil changed and its clutch plates burnished every 7,000 miles or so, they screwed up. (And I expect they know it.) They seem to believe the engine needs oil changes every 10,000 miles. And of course a differential would be expected to go much longer between changes, even one named R2-D2 or whatever.
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Re: differentiating differentials [terryp1] by blueiedgod
Jun 03, 2009 (8:33 am)
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Replying to: terryp1 (Jun 02, 2009 10:02 am)

You apparently believe that Honda's staff isn't smart enough or educated enough to publish an owner's manual that reflects the nature of the vehicle, including one with a Honda RT4WD differential.
If it happens that they've produced a differential that needs its oil changed and its clutch plates burnished every 7,000 miles or so, they screwed up. (And I expect they know it.) They seem to believe the engine needs oil changes every 10,000 miles. And of course a differential would be expected to go much longer between changes, even one named R2-D2 or whatever.

 
Two words: Marketing and Accountants.
 
When you have engineers design a very good product and then hand it off to Marketing and Accountants, they are bound to mess it up.
 
I have Owner's manuals for the 83 Magna and 88 Prelude, and Honda sent sticky pages to paste over the ones in the book. But, with the addition of Lawyers to the corporate staff, they won't do it, because it would be equivalent to admission of guilt.
 
So, now it is 3 words; Marketing, Accountants, and Lawyers.
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Re: differentiating differentials [blueiedgod] by steve_ HOST
Jun 03, 2009 (12:20 pm)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Jun 03, 2009 8:33 am)

The times I've seen sticky pages in owner's manuals, it was part of a TSB to correct errors or omissions. Quick example for an '04 CR-V (first item).
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Re: differentiating differentials [blueiedgod] by judylink
Jun 03, 2009 (2:11 pm)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Apr 20, 2009 12:26 pm)

Often times there are metal shavings found in the oil. Is the oil causing the diff to break down or is the diff contaminating the oil? That screws up your nifty equation.
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Re: differentiating differentials [judylink] by blueiedgod
Jun 04, 2009 (8:32 am)
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Replying to: judylink (Jun 03, 2009 2:11 pm)

Often times there are metal shavings found in the oil. Is the oil causing the diff to break down or is the diff contaminating the oil? That screws up your nifty equation.
 
Diff breaksdown the oil with use. Anyone living where they activate AWD should be changing fluid about once a year.
 
Metal shavings would indicate that someone waited too long to change fluid, and ignored the early warning signs.
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Re: differentiating differentials [blueiedgod] by tedtcb
Jun 04, 2009 (2:09 pm)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Jun 04, 2009 8:32 am)

Let’s see, I have 64K on my 06 and last month I had my Diff clutch burnished and “Dual II Pumped” for the third time. The first time by Honda for free and the two other times by my trusty mechanic who follows the TSB to the letter.
I suppose if my CR-V was my first Honda I might be miffed about this rear diff issue, but since it’s my 15th or so since 1977, I’m as big a fan as ever…And will remain so.
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Re: differentiating differentials [tedtcb] by blueiedgod
Jun 09, 2009 (8:57 am)
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Replying to: tedtcb (Jun 04, 2009 2:09 pm)

Let’s see, I have 64K on my 06 and last month I had my Diff clutch burnished and “Dual II Pumped” for the third time. The first time by Honda for free and the two other times by my trusty mechanic who follows the TSB to the letter.
I suppose if my CR-V was my first Honda I might be miffed about this rear diff issue, but since it’s my 15th or so since 1977, I’m as big a fan as ever…And will remain so.

 
Sounds about right, change the fluid once a year and the car is happy.

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