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395 messages, Last post on Nov 27, 2009 at 8:41 PM
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| My CR-V is doing just what is describe in TSB 07-024. I called a local Honda dealer to see how much the service would cost (I don't expect any "goodwill consideration"). My vehicle is out of warranty but has only 64,000 miles on it. My owner's manual says change the diff. fluid at 60 months or 90,000 miles. I'm over the months but well short of the mileage. The price was about $85 which is not ridiculous but according to the service advisor, they just drain and refill the fluid, not all the steps to burnish the clutches as per the TSB. He also said that California dealers recommend this service at 15,000 miles and every 20,000 miles thereafter. A 75,000 mile difference between manufacturer and dealer recommendation! What is so different about California other than I pay for it a lot more often? I will check another dealer but am tempted to take it to a shop where I've had work done before; higher price but they will do all the steps. | |
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Mar 13, 2009 12:13 pm) |
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Replying to: joycee333 (Mar 25, 2009 9:37 am) We noticed also recently a noise with the car making sharp turns on the one off ramps of the highway. At first we thought the tire was bad, though they are fairly new, rotated the tires and the noise is still there. Can anyone help? Could a differential problem cause a constant noise? Is the car safe to drive? We plan on calling the service department tomorrow, but i am worried ..... Help!
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Replying to: geenee (Mar 29, 2009 8:39 am) We noticed also recently a noise with the car making sharp turns on the one off ramps of the highway. At first we thought the tire was bad, though they are fairly new, rotated the tires and the noise is still there. Can anyone help? Could a differential problem cause a constant noise? Is the car safe to drive? We plan on calling the service department tomorrow, but i am worried ..... Help! Does the noise go away when you apply brakes? If not, then it is probably the differential. You need to change the fluid at least every 30,000 miles. If, yes, then it is the sliding caliper assembly that needs to be cleaned and lubriacated after every winter.
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Mar 31, 2009 8:51 am) If your V is a 2002 and you've never clanged the rear diff fluid that has to be done no matter what else they find (if anything) |
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Replying to: geenee (Mar 29, 2009 8:39 am) |
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I've been looking over a lot of posts here concerning the problem with the differential. Mine is an '07. From what I see, this is a design defect, though perhaps one that does not manifest itself on all CR-Vs. That makes it an interesting problem, for us and for Honda. BTW, I went through the BBB Lemon Law challenge with Honda two years ago over the torque steer in my '05 and won. When you win under Virginia's Lemon Law, the manufacturer must buy back the vehicle, as well as pay you for interest on loans. The manufacturer deducts a certain amount for your use of the vehicle. I think it's half the IRS mileage reimbursement rate.....AND...you pay only for those miles up to the point of your first complaint. My first complaint to the dealer about torque steer was about 20,000 miles and lots of dealer visits before I won. So I didn't owe them very much. And I was getting my loan interest back. Instead of a cash buy back, I asked and Honda agreed to sell me an '07 at a bit of a discount. I love the '07. But sure enough I got the vibration/moan and the dealer changed the differential fluid and burnished its clutches at 17,430 miles. I can now feel it subtly returning, like Freddy Kruger or Jason, at 24,000 miles. I expect it to be much more noticeable in a few weeks. BUNK to those who say Honda missprinted the recommended mileage for changing the differential fluid. This is a differential, for pete's sake, not an engine. They are supposed to go for a long time between changes. LONG time. That's why Honda recommends 60,000 and 90,000 miles depending on driving conditions. After learning here that some differentials have locked up at high speed, obviously a very dangerous situation, I intend to indicate to Honda and the dealer that I'm very concerned about this and believe the differential needs to be replaced. When I went to arbitration over the torque steer a couple of years ago I was very careful not to cast it as a design defect. That isn't covered in the BBB Lemon Law program because design defects show up in lots and lots of cars and Lemons are supposedly somewhat unique. Honda's rep argued at arbitration that there was no torque steer problem in the '05, which actually helped me. To the arbitrator it meant this was not a design flaw. Then when I floored it from a stoplight in D.C. and the arbitrator grabbed the arm rest as the car accelerated out of the lane and toward the curb, I figured I might win. Apparently Honda denies a design defect causes the differential problem. Fine. Looks like I got another Lemon......one that can be fixed with a new differential. And there's another twist. When I ordered the car loaded with everything.....navigation etc.....I specifically did not request AWD because I wanted slightly better mileage and we don't get much snow here. But it came with AWD anyway, no extra charge, probably because NOBODY orders one with everything BUT AWD and it would have been more trouble for them......sort of like asking McDonalds for a hamburger without mustard....it knocks them off stride. By the way, I saw somewhere that Honda touted a curious change in the '07. They redesigned the front suspension, they said, to eliminate torque steer........even though there never really was a problem.
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terryp1 writes: And there's another twist That is good writing re the Lemon Law I’m thrilled for you as far as winning in VA over the torque steer issue. Even though my 06 CRV had the rear diff issue at 25K (I have 60 k now and I’ve changed the rear diff twice, I see too many Vs of all generations on the road to think the problem is systemic but of course who knows if they’re AWD. As a Honda owner since 1977, I am surprised at this issue but so far no one’s been able to pin this as a recall kind of “Design Flaw Issue” Hunt around the rear diff posts and look for TSB regarding this, I would but I’m outta here for a while Later (here it is http://www.in.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SB/A07-024.PDF
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Replying to: tedtcb (Apr 14, 2009 2:40 pm) I have the TSB. But it calls only for a fluid change and clutch burnishing. If I now need another such fluid change after just 6,000 or 7,000 miles since the first one, with the expensive expectation of more of the same until the car and I do part, then I need a new and improved differential. That is my belief. And that will be my stance with Honda and the dealer. |
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Replying to: tedtcb (Apr 14, 2009 2:40 pm) Thanks again for your insightful post! Keep us posted on any changes. |
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