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Re: 2001 CRV Rear Differential Problem? [2001hondacrv]
by blueiedgod
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Apr 10, 2007 (10:33 am)
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Replying to: 2001hondacrv (Apr 03, 2007 5:40 pm)
First off, I love my CRV and have had few problems with it. I've searched the forums and it appears that I'm probably needing to have my rear differential fluid replaced or at least checked - I get a "rubbing" noise when making a hard turn, either left or right. Okay barring that - how dangerous is it to continue to drive w/out having it checked or replaced? And what could the end result end up being? Also, with my past dealer I explained this problem over and over and they had no clue what the problem was! ugh! Thanks in advance everyone.
Replace the fluid with HONDA's Dual Pump fluid (You can only get it at the dealer, at about $6 a quart, you will need 1.2 quarts per change). If that does not help, replace 3 more times with driving for a day or two in between. If that does not help, then the differential is beyond repair. You can ghetto rig it by removing the propeller shaft and just drive in 2 WD mode.
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Re: 2001 CRV Rear Differential Problem? [blueiedgod]
by wgn4snow
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Apr 13, 2007 (7:17 pm)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Apr 10, 2007 10:33 am)
Interestingly, I took my wife's 2003 CRV in for a regular oil change this week. With no complaint from me (I don't drive the car regularly) they did a road test, found a "rubbing noise" in the rear differential, and replaced the differential fluid under the Powertrain Warranty. I suspect that this is a known Honda issue amongst the dealers.
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Re: 2001 CRV Rear Differential Problem? [wgn4snow]
by 2001hondacrv
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Apr 14, 2007 (3:50 am)
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Replying to: wgn4snow (Apr 13, 2007 7:17 pm)
Thanks for your replies everyone! I was curious because I was about to embark on a 1,500 mile road trip last weekend, which ended up being fine. I did learn something though - I don't drive my car much (about 1,000 miles a year) because I take public transportation. The rubbing noise TOTALLY stopped on my trip, probably because the fluid got moving enough around to actually lubricate everything - amazing. No noise at all since I returned last Sunday. My car is scheduled to go in for service in another week (I have a front end rattle that sounds like a loose heat shield), so I'm going to ask about it as well. Since I don't drive a lot, I'm not sure how to correct the problem and I'm not sure of what the damage in the end could be. I appreciate all your responses!
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Re: 2001 CRV Rear Differential Problem? [blueiedgod]
by cdamech
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Jun 29, 2007 (10:20 pm)
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Replying to: blueiedgod (Apr 10, 2007 10:33 am)
Hi my wife has as 2006 Honda CR-V EX 4 WD Automatic. We had the vehicle for a year with 27Km on it. Starting about a month ago, she noticed the same problem of rubbing when she makes a sharp turn in either right or left. What I do not understand is how is this related to the Rear Differential Fluid.
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Re: 2001 CRV Rear Differential Problem? [cdamech]
by 2001hondacrv
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Jun 30, 2007 (3:38 am)
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Replying to: cdamech (Jun 29, 2007 10:20 pm)
I ended up taking my Honda in a month or so ago for a major tuneup (mine is the 2001). The rear differential is a lubricant for the back wheels (it has to do with turning speed of the wheels), think of it like an oil change. My Honda had 57,000 miles on it for its tuneup and when I asked the service people about it (Honda doesn't even mention changing the rear diff fluid until about 90K) - the service manager told me it's something that should be changed every 27K-30K miles, however, most people don't notice a problem (the rubbing noise) until closwer to where my mileage is. It sounds like you just need yours changed - I haven't had a problem since and mine is running like a brand new car! Hope this helps.
NAS
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Re: 2001 CRV Rear Differential Problem? [cdamech]
by mnf
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Jun 30, 2007 (8:15 am)
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Replying to: cdamech (Jun 29, 2007 10:20 pm)
I had this issue a month ago took it in they wanted to charge me for the rear differential change I mentioned the reading on this site and others on the issue and the good will warranty. Since I have been good customer over the years he gave me a good will warranty and did a N/C on me. Talk to them mentioned the good will warranty they should take care of it for you.
Good Luck....
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2006 CRV AWD LX Rear Differential Problem
by cdamech
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Jul 07, 2007 (5:14 pm)
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Replying to: mnf (Jun 30, 2007 8:15 am)
Hi Everyone. Thank-you for the advice. I took the 2006 CRV into the Dealer and the Service Associates knew about the problem immediately. I questioned what the issue was and they told me that it was contaminated fluid in the Rear Differential. They told me if was covered under the warranty and the procedure to fix this is to FLUSH the Rear Differential with new Fluid THREE (3) Times. I left the vehicle in the morning and it was complete by noon.
My CRV is driving very smooth now and even the shaking when stopped at a Signal light in DRIVE Mode is now gone. I thought that was due to the 4 cylinder engine but WOW, this must be somehow related to the 4 Wheel Drive and you can feel it on the entire Drive Train. It is now gone.
My only question is if HONDA knows about this, why are they quietly servicing customers? I wonder when the next this will appear again. The Maintenance schedule calls for at 90,000 KM but I ended up doing this at 28,000 KM. I will keep an eye on this and maybe do this FLUSH every 25,000 KM.
I thought HONDAs were solid and I am now thinking not to purchase HONDA for my second vehicle.
Anymore thoughts on how many people are seeing this and if HONDA has proactively done a Total RECALL on all CRVs to fix this? I checked RECALL web page for Honda CRVs and there is nothing.
CDNMECH
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Re: 2006 CRV AWD LX Rear Differential Problem [cdamech]
by 2001hondacrv
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Jul 07, 2007 (5:43 pm)
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Replying to: cdamech (Jul 07, 2007 5:14 pm)
Just my own personal opinion, but this is my third Honda and I think I've had the best experience of all my cars with Hondas - I wouldn't trade mine for anything in the world - even having to change the rear diff fluid every 28,000 miles! I've had the least amount of maintenance and/or problems with my Hondas, even less than the the Toyotas I had - or the Mitsubishi. I think Honda is a very solid choice, but again, my own .02!
2001HondaCRV
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Re: 2006 CRV AWD LX Rear Differential Problem [cdamech]
by blueiedgod
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Jul 09, 2007 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: cdamech (Jul 07, 2007 5:14 pm)
Hi Everyone. Thank-you for the advice. I took the 2006 CRV into the Dealer and the Service Associates knew about the problem immediately. I questioned what the issue was and they told me that it was contaminated fluid in the Rear Differential. They told me if was covered under the warranty and the procedure to fix this is to FLUSH the Rear Differential with new Fluid THREE (3) Times. I left the vehicle in the morning and it was complete by noon.
My CRV is driving very smooth now and even the shaking when stopped at a Signal light in DRIVE Mode is now gone. I thought that was due to the 4 cylinder engine but WOW, this must be somehow related to the 4 Wheel Drive and you can feel it on the entire Drive Train. It is now gone.
My only question is if HONDA knows about this, why are they quietly servicing customers? I wonder when the next this will appear again. The Maintenance schedule calls for at 90,000 KM but I ended up doing this at 28,000 KM. I will keep an eye on this and maybe do this FLUSH every 25,000 KM.
I thought HONDAs were solid and I am now thinking not to purchase HONDA for my second vehicle.
Anymore thoughts on how many people are seeing this and if HONDA has proactively done a Total RECALL on all CRVs to fix this? I checked RECALL web page for Honda CRVs and there is nothing.
CDNMECH
Glad differential flush fixed your problem. Although I am not sure how the shaking was related to the differential, unless dealer also flushed the tranny (assuming you drive auto).
There won't be a recall since this is not a safety related issue. The noise gives you enough warning to change the fluid.
As to the longevity of the fluid, it depends on the amount of AWD action you get, and how wet your area is. There is a breather tube on top of the differential and water can get in, which dilutes the fluid.
Generally, people have been changing rear differential fluid at 15,000 mile intervals and auto tranny fluid at 30,000 mile intervals.
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Re: 2001 CRV Rear Differential Problem? [cdamech]
by blueiedgod
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Jul 10, 2007 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: cdamech (Jun 29, 2007 10:20 pm)
Hi my wife has as 2006 Honda CR-V EX 4 WD Automatic. We had the vehicle for a year with 27Km on it. Starting about a month ago, she noticed the same problem of rubbing when she makes a sharp turn in either right or left. What I do not understand is how is this related to the Rear Differential Fluid.
"Rear differential" in the CR-V is not a real rear differential, but more like a transfer case and limited slip differential in one.
On the 05-06 the fast acting cams engage the rear wheel when the front wheels turn faster than the rear, essentially transferring the power to the rear. Then the rest of the power is transferred through the same dual pump hydraulic system used on Honda's since 1986 Civic Wagon AWD (including 1997-2004 CR-V).
The hydraulic system relies on speed differential to create enough pressure to activate the clutch packs to connect the rear wheels to the spinning propeller shaft.
When fluid is old or contaminated it may inadvertently engnage the rear, and act as if the transfer case was locked in a conventional 4WD system, hence the scrubbing and the noise.
When you turn, the inside wheels travel less distance than the outside wheels. This is side to side differential, CR-V has open differential. But, when you turn the front outside wheel travels more than the rear inside wheel, which in a conventional locked 4WD system will cause binding. Here the rear differential acts as a limited slip transfer case, allowing some slip front to rear so that the driveline does not bind.
There is a great video on HondaSUV on how the "Real Time AWD" system works.
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