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#223 of 258 2008 GT Limited vs. 3.0??
by ylz
Jun 14, 2008 (10:00 am)
Ok well I decided my next car will be a 2008 Subaru Legacy and I have a question. Do I go with with the GT Limited or 3.0? Someone told me the 3.0 was a smoother drive which is nice. But the GT has more torque which is also a bonus, plus that hood scoop just looks cool. Has anyone driven the 3.0? Impressions? Let me know what you guys think. Thanks.
#224 of 258 Re: 2008 Legacy - Wait for `09? [pilot1226]
by bodble2
Jun 14, 2008 (10:07 am)
You've been doing 360's down the highway, but you don't want VDC?
VDC is regarded by many as even more important in accident avoidance than ABS brakes.
#225 of 258 Re: 2008 Legacy - Wait for `09? [bodble2]
by pilot1226
Jun 18, 2008 (12:55 pm)
Haha, yeah, I've had a few times where - even on brand new tires - I've ended up doing 360's down the highway because slush got kicked up by the traffic in the middle lane and thrown under my front tires.
I was VERY impressed with my recent Legacy 2.5i SE test drive. I don't want the limited, nor do I want the 3.0 liter engine because of fuel economy and a personal preference (I don't like leather, especially in summer)
I wish they had heated seats with the cloth interior.
Thanks for the great replies! Crunching the numbers back and forth with Subaru dealer near me and hopefully will be a proud owner of an `08 Legacy.
It's my understanding that VDC is ASR, or acceleration slip reduction, this prevents too much power being transfered from the engine to the wheels, which will eliminate the "peel out" jackrabbit starts. If it does something else, maybe I'll wait for `09's.
#226 of 258 Re: 2008 Legacy - Wait for `09? [pilot1226]
by dcm61
Jun 18, 2008 (3:20 pm)
It's my understanding that VDC is ASR, or acceleration slip reduction, this prevents too much power being transfered from the engine to the wheels, which will eliminate the "peel out" jackrabbit starts. If it does something else, maybe I'll wait for `09's.
VDC is Traction Control plus Stability Control.
Stability Control will attempt to keep you in the direction you intended to go. This is done by either applying the brakes to a specific wheel or reducing engine power.
#227 of 258 Re: 2008 Legacy - Wait for `09? [dcm61]
by paisan
Jun 18, 2008 (4:46 pm)
VDC is also ABLS which is Anti-lock Brake Limited Slip which creates a pseudo LSD in both the front and rear when slippage is detected either in the front or rear axles by applying a brake to the slipping wheel.
-mike
#228 of 258 Re: 2008 Legacy - Wait for `09? [paisan]
by pilot1226
Jun 18, 2008 (7:21 pm)
Interesting. Do (we) know if VDC is a standard feature on the `09 Legacy 2.5i's, or if it'd be at least an option? Sounds like something too important to pass up if it's available.
Auto-start though, hmm, just can't bring myself to do that. If there was a dealer autostart built into the keyless, perhaps, but I don't want an aftermarket thingie.
Thanks for the responses. When are the `09's due? July?
#229 of 258 Re: 2008 Legacy - Wait for `09? [pilot1226]
by ateixeira
Jun 19, 2008 (11:36 am)
I'm pretty sure they made VDC standard on all 09 Legacy/Outback models. 'Bout time I say.
#230 of 258 Re: 2008 Legacy - Wait for `09? [ateixeira]
by pilot1226
Jun 20, 2008 (8:38 am)
Source: http://www.drive.subaru.com/Sum08/Sum08_OB_Leg.htm
Information:
STANDARD STABILITY CONTROL
For 2009, the Subaru stability control system – Vehicle Dynamics Control (VDC) – is standard on all Outback and Legacy models except the Legacy 2.5GT Limited with five-speed manual transmission. The system helps to prevent skidding due to understeer or oversteer by managing individual wheel braking and/or reducing engine power to correct the slide. This system adds to driver control of the vehicle, improving active safety.
End Quote.
Fantastic! 2009 it is - even if it's more money because it's an `09 and not a leftover `08, VDC appears to be well worth it - I mistakenly thought it was JUST ASR (which isn't new technology).
Thanks!
#231 of 258 Re: 2008 Legacy - Wait for `09? [pilot1226]
by ateixeira
Jun 24, 2008 (1:35 pm)
Cool.
Wonder why they didn't put it on that one single model? Strange. Maybe they wanted one model where people who did not want it to have an option.
Jun 25, 2008 (12:43 pm)
when Subaru first offered a ESC as a standalone Bean VDC model , it was always coupled to the VTD system and I recall discussion then that the VDC could not be done on a stick shift but they are offering VDC on the stick shift Spec B!! I this purely marketing or is there some engineering issue?