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Re: Just got one! [jlresq]
by lrguy44
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Feb 25, 2008 (6:28 am)
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Replying to: jlresq (Feb 25, 2008 12:11 am)
It is on the invoice and is a real part of the cost to the dealer.
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- #224 of 286
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Re: Just got one! [jlresq]
by jeyhoe
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Feb 25, 2008 (8:24 am)
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Replying to: jlresq (Feb 25, 2008 12:11 am)
You probably did but never knew it.
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- #225 of 286
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Re: Just got one! [jeyhoe]
by jlresq
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Feb 25, 2008 (8:38 am)
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Replying to: jeyhoe (Feb 25, 2008 8:24 am)
Thanks. I thought the Edmunds invoice price was the gospel but there is a footnote about advertising costs.
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- #226 of 286
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Re: Just got one! [jlresq]
by kyfdx HOST
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Feb 25, 2008 (7:43 pm)
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Replying to: jlresq (Feb 25, 2008 12:11 am)
It all depends on your negotiation..
If you say, "I'll give you $500 over invoice", then you should expect that invoice to have charges you never dreamed of..
If you say, "I'll give you $25,000 plus tax, title and license", then there shouldn't be any advertising charges... After all, that is the dealer's invoice, not yours..
Use all the information that you can find.... but, make your offers in actual dollars and cents... That doesn't mean they won't try to add charges... but, at least you'll know exactly what you are offering.
regards,
kyfdx
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- #227 of 286
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Re: Just got one! [kyfdx]
by lrguy44
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Feb 25, 2008 (8:15 pm)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Feb 25, 2008 7:43 pm)
f you say, "I'll give you $25,000 plus tax, title and license", then there shouldn't be any advertising charges.
But since RAG is part of the invoice it will be a factor in the dealer's decision to sell the car at the customer's offer.
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- #228 of 286
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Re: Just got one! [lrguy44]
by kyfdx HOST
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Feb 26, 2008 (4:10 am)
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Replying to: lrguy44 (Feb 25, 2008 8:15 pm)
True..
Still.. making offers at $XXX over invoice leaves a lot to interpretation..
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- #229 of 286
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Re: Just got one! [kyfdx]
by jlresq
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Feb 26, 2008 (12:39 am)
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Replying to: kyfdx (Feb 26, 2008 4:10 am)
In fact, I agreed with the sales manager at $500 over invoice and we were both all smiles until, just to be cautious, I reduced it to a hard number. Only then did the sales manager say he meant $500 over HIS invoice, not the Edmunds invoice number. While that technique left a lasting bad taste in my mouth and wiped out any degree of trust that the actual salesman had built up with me, the sales manager did produce and invoice showing the RAG charge.
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- #230 of 286
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Re: Just got one! [jlresq]
by lrguy44
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Feb 26, 2008 (10:39 am)
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Replying to: jlresq (Feb 26, 2008 12:39 am)
How could you be angry? He showed you his invoice, did he not. When he starts paying the manufacturer whatever Edmunds, Kelly, etc. say the invoice is, them you would have a right to be angry.
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- #231 of 286
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Re: Just got one! [lrguy44]
by jlresq
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Feb 26, 2008 (12:11 pm)
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Replying to: lrguy44 (Feb 26, 2008 10:39 am)
Easy answer. All of the negotiations took place while looking at the Edmunds numbers. It was only after we agreed on $500 over invoice that he first slipped in over HIS invoice. Never before did he bring that up in the give and take. Trust me--it was slippery.I also just found out today that my order was just placed and the car will not be delivered until June. I was told by the dealer at the time I signed the contract that the delivery delay was estimated at 2 months. Now it is close to four months. Not a big deal for me but certainly not what I has initially told.
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- #232 of 286
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Re: Just got one! [jlresq]
by lrguy44
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Feb 26, 2008 (1:49 pm)
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Replying to: jlresq (Feb 26, 2008 12:11 pm)
Was the salesman aware of the fact that the negotiation from both parties was based on the Edmund's version of invoice and was he aware of the difference to the real invoice?
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