Vw Rabbit/Golf Mk6

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#5 of 6 Re: No big news to report [eldaino] by jbaustian Sep 17, 2007 (5:44 pm)
Replying to: eldaino (Sep 17, 2007 7:50 am) Regarding the 2.5-liter ... This is a tough call -- a base engine in an "economy" car should probably be normally-aspirated. But to get good fuel economy with decent power, it almost has to be turbocharged. (I think all Saabs are turbocharged, and all get more than 30 mpg, but they also cost many thousands more the Rabbit/Golf.) I can't see VW offering a base engine that needs to be revved to the redline to get decent power, ala Honda and Toyota. The people who buy VWs want more oomph at the lower rpms. I think VW needs to offer a gasoline engine that gets 30+ mpg highway, along with a TDI diesel engine getting somewhat more. Of course, if we could get all the TDIs we want, then VW could probably drop the gasoline engines entirely. I'd be happy with that, but VWoA would never do that, it would be entirely too risky for a company that prefers to lose money conservatively. Replies to this message: eldaino (Sep 19, 2007 6:36 am)
#6 of 6 Re: No big news to report [jbaustian] by eldaino Sep 19, 2007 (6:36 am)
Replying to: jbaustian (Sep 17, 2007 5:44 pm) as a former vw driver, while i did appreciate the low end torque, it wasn't worth it given the lack of breath after 4500rpms, or the so so gas mileage. the problem is that unless those torque loving vw lovers want to give up that torque, they are NOT going to get that kind of mileage unless they get a diesel. the rabbit, and german cars in general, are just to heavy to deal with the smaller displacement engines that cars like the civic make do with. Sure, vw puts tiny engines into their cars in europe, and they get great mileage, but the acceleration leaves something to be desired. this is also the reason why cars like the civic end up being just as fast as vw's offerings in that class, simply because of that weight. The one thing vw could do is put the 1.4 tsi into the rabbit. 170hp, over 30mpg. fantastic. But not only would its performance start to step on the gti's toes (even if it still lags a second to a second and a half 0-60 behind the gti, some people may feel that the gti doesn't offer ENOUGH performance for the extra $ it costs.), this engine will probably not be the most reliable thing in the world, and will REQUIRE vw personell to service it, forget about the guy down the street who has been working with VW"s since the 70's.

#5 of 6: Re: No big news to report [eldaino] by jbaustian; Sep 17, 2007 (5:44 pm)

Replying to: eldaino (Sep 17, 2007 7:50 am)

Regarding the 2.5-liter ...

This is a tough call -- a base engine in an "economy" car should probably be normally-aspirated. But to get good fuel economy with decent power, it almost has to be turbocharged. (I think all Saabs are turbocharged, and all get more than 30 mpg, but they also cost many thousands more the Rabbit/Golf.)

I can't see VW offering a base engine that needs to be revved to the redline to get decent power, ala Honda and Toyota. The people who buy VWs want more oomph at the lower rpms.

I think VW needs to offer a gasoline engine that gets 30+ mpg highway, along with a TDI diesel engine getting somewhat more. Of course, if we could get all the TDIs we want, then VW could probably drop the gasoline engines entirely. I'd be happy with that, but VWoA would never do that, it would be entirely too risky for a company that prefers to lose money conservatively.

eldaino (Sep 19, 2007 6:36 am)

#6 of 6: Re: No big news to report [jbaustian] by eldaino; Sep 19, 2007 (6:36 am)

Replying to: jbaustian (Sep 17, 2007 5:44 pm)

as a former vw driver, while i did appreciate the low end torque, it wasn't worth it given the lack of breath after 4500rpms, or the so so gas mileage.

the problem is that unless those torque loving vw lovers want to give up that torque, they are NOT going to get that kind of mileage unless they get a diesel. the rabbit, and german cars in general, are just to heavy to deal with the smaller displacement engines that cars like the civic make do with. Sure, vw puts tiny engines into their cars in europe, and they get great mileage, but the acceleration leaves something to be desired.

this is also the reason why cars like the civic end up being just as fast as vw's offerings in that class, simply because of that weight.

The one thing vw could do is put the 1.4 tsi into the rabbit. 170hp, over 30mpg. fantastic. But not only would its performance start to step on the gti's toes (even if it still lags a second to a second and a half 0-60 behind the gti, some people may feel that the gti doesn't offer ENOUGH performance for the extra $ it costs.), this engine will probably not be the most reliable thing in the world, and will REQUIRE vw personell to service it, forget about the guy down the street who has been working with VW"s since the 70's.