Last post on Jun 14, 2008 at 8:55 PM
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Porsche 911, Coupe, Convertible
#3 of 27 Re: 07 Porsche Turbo...Quality Built ? [bayareafx45]
Jun 24, 2007 (4:50 am)
Porsche displaced Lexus as #1 in JD Powers IQS surveys over the past 2 years. That said, Lexus deserves credit for having generally great product quality and customer service. Unfortunately, the only Lexus we have considered recently, the GX470 in 2005, had significant drivetrain vibration issues that Lexus was painfully slow in addressing. Not sure if it's fixed even now.
I have 14,400 miles on a 2005 911S Cabriolet and haven't had any issues. My sense is that the vehicle is much better built, both mechanically and in fit and finish, then our 2 Acuras (TL & MDX). A friend of mine turned in his 2001 Turbo off of lease to buy a 911S Coupe last year and has had 0 problems with either. I did have a slight issue when it came to replacing my rear tires at 12,500 miles. The OEM Pirelli's were out of stock nationwide. I called Porsche customer service to register a complaint. As I was about to buy Michelin's, the representative got back to me and "found" two Pirelli tires in Porsche's private stock and asked what dealership I wanted them shipped to. The price was less than the discounted Tire Rack price. Obviously, Porsche wants to keep/continue thier positive reputation.
As far as buying a Porsche over a Lexus "sports car", I can't help but laugh a little at that one. Lexus may be near the pinnacle of customer service and quality, but they have never built anything more exciting to drive than a souped up Buick. Whether you compare their IS350 model to a BMW 335i, their GS model to a 5 series, or their SC430 to anything at or above a $30k Honda S2000, it is abundantly clear that Lexus is very weak in terms of handling, braking, steering and overall driving dynamics. Not to mention, they force feed their buyers automatic slushbox transmissions on everything except their bottom of the line IS250.
So, if you are considering waiting for the LFA so-called "sports" car, you are putting a boatload more of faith than I would in Lexus' ability to compete with Ferrari / Porsche for the serious sports car buyer when they aren't even competing with a 3 or 5 series for the everyday enthusiast. Personally, I'd put my faith in Porsche's commitment to customer service - and give you 10 to 1 odds that the LFA will simply be an overwieght Mercedes/AMG SL alternative for those that are more concerned about ventilated, butt massaging seats, active cruise control and automatic parallel parking instead of real driving dynamics. I'd expect the LFA to have gobs of horsepower and torque, just like the SL65, but that will be done to pacify their number crunching poseur buyer, rather than excite a serious enthusiast who actually knows how to drive a 911 or 430 in something other than a straight line between stoplights. Just a guess, but I'm still giving 10 to 1 odds.
#4 of 27 Re: 07 Porsche Turbo...Quality Built ? [habitat1]
Jun 24, 2007 (9:44 pm)
Thank for the info. I totally agree with your assessment of Lexus "sports cars". I have a LX470 and the main complaint I have (and have voiced to Lexus) is lack of power. Mind you it isn't horrible but still when compared to a BMW X5 4.6, it is just not there.
Outside of this, my LX is super on quality built and service. My friend also has a 996 Carrera and has had no problems. His opinion is equal to yours about Porsche being a true sports car in all sense.
I am also impressed how Porsche took good care of you when you needed to replace your tires. That is great customer service. You've sealed it for me...between my friend and your posting I think Porsche is the way to go. Thanks
#5 of 27 Re: 07 Porsche Turbo...Quality Built ? [bayareafx45]
Jul 19, 2007 (2:29 pm)
I have a 2004 Turbo cab with 15,000 miles on it. A beautifully designed car, but you need to know there is a little secret with the current series turbo engine. It can be noisy. Not loud, more like a 1972 London diesel taxi noisy. Or strangely reminiscent of a 1930 Model 'A'.
This is attributed to an intermediate shaft tension device from what I have been told. Not the turbos, and it is "perfectly normal". So, my advice is to listen very carefully to the noise of the potential purchase, after it has really warmed up, and judge for yourself. Some turbo's have it, some don't. Luck of the draw, with a hand-built engine. One craftsman per engine.
Even with this interesting quirk, lets call it, I am lucky to have this once in a lifetime masterpiece. If the noise bothers you, drop back into a sweet Carrera S and you will not likely have any problems at all.
#6 of 27 Re: 07 Porsche Turbo...Quality Built ? [roadrunner12]
Jul 22, 2007 (8:22 am)
Thanks, Roadrunner12 ! All the info. I can get before I buy is greatly appreciated.
Not sure if I would like to hear that much noise....owned a Merc. 300D in the past and the clanking slightly drove me nuts. I don't need Lexus quiet but would like hearing a nice exhaust rumble from the Porsche.
I'll keep what you said in mind before I buy and yes, you are lucky to have this once in a lifetime masterpiece! I hope I'm just as lucky soon !
#7 of 27 Re: 07 Porsche Turbo...Quality Built ? [bayareafx45]
Feb 24, 2008 (12:06 pm)
Just to add my "two cents" I would swear by these cars. I'm in training to be a mechanic for Porsche so my opinion is kind of worthless to you, but based on what I know and have seen, you are getting the best of the best. And yes I am hugely biased
The Turbo should last you a very long time as long as you take good care of it, and no matter how long or far you drive it, ALWAYS change the oil every 3000 miles or 3 months. Even if you haven't driven it in 3 months. Your car will appreciate it. Good luck with it, I hope you love it!
#8 of 27 Re: 07 Porsche Turbo...Quality Built ? [porschetech911]
Mar 01, 2008 (5:38 pm)
I thought the recommended oil changes were 10-12k. Every 3k sounds like fairly expensive and inconvenient.
#9 of 27 Re: 07 Porsche Turbo...Quality Built ? [sandeep5]
Mar 06, 2008 (10:31 pm)
I hope you change your oil more often than that. SOMETIMES you can go that long in a diesel like those provided by Volkswagen and Audi, but even in large American deisel trucks you should ALWAYS change your oil between 3 and 5 thousand miles. It only should cost around 30 to 40 dollars to do. So expense isn't an excuse to not have it done. And with an investment in a vehicle such as any modern Porsche, especially a 997 Turbo, I don't think you would want to chance ruining that kind of vehicle. A shame indeed.
#10 of 27 Porsche Turbo....Oil Changing.....
Mar 07, 2008 (12:26 am)
Thank for the info. porschetech911. One of my buddy's has just order his and it should be delivered sometime this coming August. I'm going to wait and see how he like it and what options to order and what not to order.
As to oil changes...I change all my vehicles with synthetic oil every 5k. I find this to be a good balance and so far so good. And since a 997 turbo will cost me around 145k plus, an oil change cost is the least of my worries.
Mar 11, 2008 (1:09 am)
I recently purchased a 2008 911 Turbo and have a problem. When I really push it, particularly from low to high speeds quickly I get a 2 second lag before it accelerates. Of course when it finally does kick in I get all 480 horses at once, making it quite a challenge to handle. My previous car was an E55 and I loved it. It was never at a loss for power. I read in Car & Driver this lag was some sort of software issue. The dealer says it is the normal turbo lag but 911's are famous for not having turbo lag.
Does anyone have a solution?
#12 of 27 Re: Porsche Turbo....Oil Changing..... [bayareafx45]
Mar 16, 2008 (5:00 pm)
Your very welcome bayarefx45. 5k miles with synthetic in perfectly fine because the oil does not break down like normal conventional oil. When people say that it means that as the oil molecules are smashed between metal peices they become flattened overtime. With synthetic oil it does not do that, and therefor provides better protection longer.
The reason your vehicle lags actually has to do with several factors. I agree that Porsche over the years has done a great job with turbo lag, and you are correct about the software. The amount of lag is determined by how much force the turbos' create. The software accounts for this as the vehicle accelerates, but as Porsche developes new technology, those turbos' grow larger in size and the software can do only so much to correct it.
So they do have a bit of lag and thats perfectly normal. If you like, TechArt and some other companies may offer to re- map or re- program you electonic control unit (ECU) so that it performs better. It will upgrade your top speed, shift points, turbo response, engine respone, improve gas mileage, and so on depending on what your looking for.