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25 messages, Last post on Mar 29, 2007 at 10:38 AM
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Replying to: gmctruck (Mar 24, 2007 4:27 pm) I cannot help wonder if Ford was not involved if the approach and how Mazda is responding to this problem would be different.
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Replying to: ex_tdier (Mar 23, 2007 9:52 pm) Before we dive too far out on this topic, is everyone aware that Ford does NOT own Mazda? Ford owns a controlling stake (about 33%) of Mazda; that is a bit different from actually OWNING Mazda.
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Replying to: rorr (Mar 25, 2007 6:58 am)
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Replying to: ex_tdier (Mar 24, 2007 8:36 pm)
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Replying to: godaddy1 (Mar 25, 2007 10:08 am) http://www.mazda3forums.com/index.php?topic=67368.new;topicseen#new |
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Replying to: ex_tdier (Mar 23, 2007 9:52 pm)
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Replying to: nj2pa2nc (Mar 25, 2007 8:43 am) The MX-6 used the F2T engine, a 2.2L Turbo with 145hp that was built by Mazda. The vehicle was a joint venture by Mazda and Ford, but, most of the vehicle was a Mazda. Mazda American Credit is a division of Ford Motor Credit, and back in the 80's and 90's, Mazda did not have their own bank, that is why they used Ford's. At the time, Ford (or Primus I think) was one of the biggest in the world. Mazda and Ford have been sharing technology for decades. Currently, Mazda is NOT owned by Ford. Ford has 33.4% interest in Mazda. Mazda still calls the shots with what they want to do. Think of the relationship as more of a partnership. About the door latch problem, it is up to MNAO to decide whether it is a problem, not Mazda over in Japan or Ford. MNAO covers Canada, United States. One considering a Mazda should not think they are all Fords. They just share technology. Actually, Ford currently has the best reputation out of any American car companies according to numerous sources, including CR.
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Replying to: audia8q (Mar 26, 2007 8:02 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Mar 26, 2007 8:06 am)
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Replying to: ex_tdier (Mar 26, 2007 10:09 am) While avi described the relationship as a partnership it's not quite a partnership, but rather a partnership of unequals. How does this work out in real life? It's hard to say because Ford has been kind to Mazda but here are some examples: 1. They build many cars on similar platforms. It seems that Ford is building most of its cars on what was originially the Mazda6 platform though. In contrast, the Mazda3 platform was developed jointly by Ford, Mazda, and Volvo. 2. Even though cars are built on similar platforms, they retain their own identity. For example, the 3, euro focus, and s40 are different in significant ways. The cx-7 and edge are also different. 3. Mazda was able to reintroduce the rotary, something that probably did not make the most fiscal sense. The rotary is just something distinctly Mazda. I wonder how much Mazda had to fight to have it built... I really don't know. Could Ford have stopped it's production if it wanted to? 4. Although Ford reports sales of Volvo, Jaguar, and Land Rover as part of its own sales, Mazda sales are reported separately. If one were to include Mazda sales into Ford sales, I believe Ford would still be comfortably ahead of Toyota worldwide (not sure about that). If Ford owned Mazda outright, its relationship would be more similar to the relationship between Ford and Volvo. But, that's not really that much different to their relationship now. I think the big changes would be in sales reporting and perhaps the rx-8 never having come to fruition. As for quality/reliability, its really hard to decipher. Generally, Ford has improved very recently, while Mazda has taken a hit in surveys while introducing many new models (almost the whole lineup). |
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