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#615 of 1480 Re: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Second Opinion [aaykay]
Jul 23, 2007 (11:25 pm)
Ah yes, the new car's brakes...
Pedal feel is average, but the brakes grab well once the driver is really stomping on the brake pedal. However, braking ability is still limited by the *wonderful* all-season Bridgestone Potenza RE92A tires (just as the previous years' cars' braking ability were hampered by tire grip).
It has been confirmed on NASIOC that the front brake disc part numbers on the 2008 WRX match the front brake disc P/Ns of the Subaru Outback 2.5 XT. The calipers themselves I'm guessing are from the Subaru Legacy/Outback or 2002-2005 WRX.
I hope this helps clear things up.
#616 of 1480 Re: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Second Opinion [SubyTrojan]
Jul 24, 2007 (4:02 am)
Yeah - why is that they're insisting on that junk (I mean those tires that nobody other than Subaru seems to like). I could think of probably 5 or 10 different ones that are similarly prices and superior in nearly every aspect, from grip to wear, to ride quality.
#617 of 1480 Re: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Second Opinion [stevecebu]
Jul 24, 2007 (4:31 am)
No one here has missed any of the points you've been making, as you've pounded them into our heads so many times I can't even begin to count.
What you fail to understand is that some of us may not agree with you. That's the difference. You take pot shots at me and others who welcome the new-found comfort and refinement of the WRX, saying that we should go by Camrys instead. Or because we're not in the market at the moment, and you are, that your opinion is more important than ours. So, yeah, I'm upset—and have every right to be.
You constantly complain that Subaru doesn't listen to you. Can you blame them them? You've got a lot to learn in terms of people skills. There are ways of making points—and convincing others to seeing it your way. I'm clearly not the only one here who feels this way, as you've alienated just about everyone here with your in-the-face and confrontational negativism.
As you've stated before—over and over and over—the WRX, and the direction Subaru is going with this car in terms of market position and audience, is not for you. You've even stated it's at the bottom of cars you are considering. So come to grips with it and move on to something you like better.
Jul 24, 2007 (6:10 am)
If you've already decided you don't like and will not buy the '08 WRX, and have already stated that opinion, then a discussion about that particular vehicle is probably not for you.
Negative comments about the vehicle are fine, but let's not beat a point into the ground.
#620 of 1480 Re: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Second Opinion [SubyTrojan]
Jul 24, 2007 (7:44 am)
Overall, the stock 2008 WRX is better than a stock 2002-2007 WRX.
Thanks and yes I read your entire review.
Apparently I'm the only one that did, because some people here still didn't get the point you made above, and I've highlighted again.
Certain people here would do themselves a huge favor if they read your full review and then went to test drive a Camry. I'm fairly certain they feel nothing at all alike.
#621 of 1480 Re: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Second Opinion [SubyTrojan]
Jul 24, 2007 (8:03 am)
It has been confirmed on NASIOC that the front brake disc part numbers on the 2008 WRX match the front brake disc P/Ns of the Subaru Outback 2.5 XT.
Thanks for the clarification. That certainly clears things up ! The OB 2.5XT has smaller discs than the GT and matches with what I stated when I observed the car during the NY Auto Show. Basically the 07 REX has 11.5/11.3 front/rear and the OB XT has 11.5/10.6 front/rear brake discs.
The brake discs on the WRX NY show car were clearly smaller than the Legacy 3.0R parked next to it but some of the folks here (I believe Paisan) kept on insisting that the discs on the new REX are the GT's larger discs.
Either way, since I am waiting for the 09 STI to get here, I am not impacted !
#622 of 1480 Re: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Second Opinion [ateixeira]
Jul 24, 2007 (8:15 am)
I got the point and I could see its reasoning. In my opinion, much more relevant question is it better enough to warrant its "legend reborn" spin (definitely not) and more importantly to fend off new found competition in a segment of what I may call fast and/or premium compact car. Compared to introduction in 2002, the world changed considerably. There is stiffening competitive pressure from below (Speed3, new SRT-4) and above (A3) and at level GTI/GLI). Those cars are getting visibly better at what they are trying to offer. All of these vehicles have something strong going for them, from price to eqipment (both lux and hardware), to plain number horsepower, to styling, to handling. What does Subaru do? They CHEAPEN their AWD offering compared to its predecessors soften the suspension and make it look like Sebring from the front. They want to shed the "boy-racer" crowd and I think they will be successfull.
How are they trying to compensate? Here is when the whole Camry comes in picture. - and it is not so irrelevant, as one may imagine. Hear me on this: WRX goes mainstream - i.e. trying to attract crowd sensitive to "fluff factor". Those people would touch old WRX because its high because road noise, not so nice interior, boy-racer image, but still want strong horsepower (number is very important to them) and price below 30K. Q: What do these people buy today? A: Six cylinder versions of Camry, Accord or Altima.
So lets assume the "racer people" (hardcore, weekend and wanna-be's) are gone (bye Steve ). Has Subaru done enough with WRX to attract "V6 midsize FWD for 25-30K people"?. Answer: I don't think so. They're trying to eat the cake and still have it.
#623 of 1480 Re: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Second Opinion [aaykay]
Jul 24, 2007 (8:46 am)
aaykay, are you akoshy on NASIOC?
If so, the brake information I was referring to I obtained from the "2008 Impreza: Official Pics and Info" thread stickied as the top thread in the News & Rumors section.
Someone with the latest electronics part catalog accessed looked up and supplied us with the front brake rotor info.
#624 of 1480 Re: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Second Opinion [dino001]
Jul 24, 2007 (9:23 am)
Meh, to me, "Legend Reborn" is pure marketing nonsense. I'm sure Kia's marketing would have you believe they make the best cars in the world, too. So what? It's meaningless.
Get TiVO. Honestly. Stop watching commercials, and you just won't care any more. I don't.
We agree that the competition is much stiffer than it was in 2002.
We disagree about the "cheapening" of the WRX. Adding refinement does not make it cheaper, in terms of feel or otherwise.
In fact, I think the exact opposite is true. The 2002 had knock-out performance, arguably better vs. its lesser competition back then.
But...it felt cheap! The interior had to make all sorts of apologies. It was cheaper back then, not now. People were turned off by:
* hard plastics
* non-lined storage bins everywhere
* thin carpets
* thin paint that chipped easily
* thin and easy to dent sheetmetal
* Neon headlights, far worse than any Sebring
* missing content from JDM US models (STI had no stereo!)
* lack of door frames, glass that rattled
* cramped rear seating
* no moonroof, no heated seats, no leather, no nothing
The 2002 was all about cheap speed, and yes it felt cheap.
So here's my question, where were you in 2002? Perhaps it is pure nostalgia but the memory of more than a few people in this thread is failing them.
The 2008 model looks far more refined. The interior will not turn off people not willing to make an all-out sacrifice just for speed. It's no longer cheap speed, but just speed, I suppose.
I also disagree about the "soften the suspension" comment, did you drive one yet? The outgoing one was too softly sprung, and needed springs and sway bar upgrades, plus tires, out of the box.
How has that changed? The 2008 is not softer than the 2007, how would you even know if you haven't driven one, and those that have say it's better and the equipment tells us it slaloms a LOT faster now?
The 2008 interior (especially) looks 100 times better. It no longer looks out of place in its price class. Design is much better, you can now get NAV, the door frames will make the glass stop rattling when you slam the door, and there is actually room for legs in the rear seat. It's much less "cheap" now.
And no, it's not going after the Camry buyer, who is 15 years older and has 2.3 kids and a dog. That person isn't even aware of the drive wheels, doesn't take on-ramps at twice the posted speed, and doesn't know Petter Solberg from Peter Cottontail.
WRX buyers will be the guys just out of college, single or married with no kids yet. They like cars but don't necessarily make a hobby out of it, they just enjoy driving. They would also not be caught dead in a mainstream family sedan.