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Future Vehicles 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX
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Replying to: rsholland (Jul 23, 2007 12:19 pm) I can't think of anything more arrogant! Really Bob, well you should look back at what you said previously about Subaru wanting to sell more cars then. After all you and others have pointed out more than a few times Subaru is in the business to make money. my point was and is that in 6 months i will HAVE to buy a car. You have a 2006 and are not looking to buy one. So in 1,2 or 3 years or whenever it is you will buy a car then. This car is out now. You won't be buying it so it's not arrogant for me as a buyer to like or not like a car that I will actually be paying money for. Hardly arrogance. But you and a few others really want to argue with me. I am done discussing this with you as I have pointed out in the past that you have some valid points and yet not once had you acknowledged that I have any valid points yet the reviews from various magazines,tend to lean more towards what I was saying. Arrogance is bragging that Subaru listens to you. They don't listen to me, that's ok, I can decide whether or not to buy their car after I drive one. You have totally missed every point I have ever made. And since i'm sure nothing will make you happier that us not conversing any more then just don't reply and I won't reply to you any more either.
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Replying to: paisan (Jul 23, 2007 12:48 pm) Sorry Mike but I really want you to understand my point which it seems no one does and that is that cars cost money which is a a quantifiable thing. The new WRX is going to cost at least $25K or more if you get any option packages. There are a lot of cars available for that kind of money that are mainstream cars. It has been stated over and over and over by you guys and damn near everyone else that Subaru wants to be more mainstream. I don't think anyone disagrees with that since Subaru said it themselves so it's not a debatable point. I'm sorry you don't like my 2 choices for mainstream cars. I can pick some others but I picked the 2 best selling cars in that price range. I NEVER said the Accord drives better or is faster nor did i say that about the Camry. You guys are indicating that i did. Driving a Camry is like driving a toaster or a microwave oven. But I defy you to prove in anyway that it is not a mainstream car. It and the Accord are THE mainstream cars. Pick some other brand if you want but it won't matter. People do factor in price when they buy a car. I am simply pointing out much to the obvious disdain of Subaru fans that when you spend $25K+ on a car you sure want a god deal for your money and Subaru is courting the mainstream buyer now or rather trying to. Subaru offers AWD and that's about it. Not everyone is an enthusiast as you have pointed out. But those people still buy cars and will they really care that much about AWD or anything else just being average car buyers? I don't think they will. I think they won't care much about the "Driving experience" I think comfort and other issues will come into play during the purchasing decision. I guess I'm the only person who sees that tho. So consider me out of this conversation. I will probably follow it from time to time but obviously people would rather hear what they want to hear and at least a few have made it clear that I and my opinions are no longer welcome in this particular forum. So enjoy your cars whichever ones you guys buy and i'll do the same. |
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Replying to: aaykay (Jul 23, 2007 7:33 pm) Ah yes, the new car's brakes... Pedal feel is average, but the brakes grab well once the driver is really stomping on the brake pedal. However, braking ability is still limited by the *wonderful* all-season Bridgestone Potenza RE92A tires (just as the previous years' cars' braking ability were hampered by tire grip). It has been confirmed on NASIOC that the front brake disc part numbers on the 2008 WRX match the front brake disc P/Ns of the Subaru Outback 2.5 XT. The calipers themselves I'm guessing are from the Subaru Legacy/Outback or 2002-2005 WRX. I hope this helps clear things up. God bless, Loren |
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Replying to: SubyTrojan (Jul 23, 2007 11:25 pm)
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Replying to: stevecebu (Jul 23, 2007 7:52 pm) What you fail to understand is that some of us may not agree with you. That's the difference. You take pot shots at me and others who welcome the new-found comfort and refinement of the WRX, saying that we should go by Camrys instead. Or because we're not in the market at the moment, and you are, that your opinion is more important than ours. So, yeah, I'm upset—and have every right to be. You constantly complain that Subaru doesn't listen to you. Can you blame them them? You've got a lot to learn in terms of people skills. There are ways of making points—and convincing others to seeing it your way. I'm clearly not the only one here who feels this way, as you've alienated just about everyone here with your in-the-face and confrontational negativism. As you've stated before—over and over and over—the WRX, and the direction Subaru is going with this car in terms of market position and audience, is not for you. You've even stated it's at the bottom of cars you are considering. So come to grips with it and move on to something you like better. Bob |
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Replying to: dino001 (Jul 24, 2007 4:02 am) At The Tire Rack, there are *only* 17 better high performance all-season tires. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=HPAS&width=20- - 5%2F&ratio=50&diameter=17&tireSearch=true |
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If you've already decided you don't like and will not buy the '08 WRX, and have already stated that opinion, then a discussion about that particular vehicle is probably not for you. Negative comments about the vehicle are fine, but let's not beat a point into the ground. |
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Replying to: SubyTrojan (Jul 23, 2007 1:41 pm) Thanks and yes I read your entire review. Apparently I'm the only one that did, because some people here still didn't get the point you made above, and I've highlighted again. Certain people here would do themselves a huge favor if they read your full review and then went to test drive a Camry. I'm fairly certain they feel nothing at all alike.
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Replying to: SubyTrojan (Jul 23, 2007 11:25 pm) Thanks for the clarification. That certainly clears things up ! The OB 2.5XT has smaller discs than the GT and matches with what I stated when I observed the car during the NY Auto Show. Basically the 07 REX has 11.5/11.3 front/rear and the OB XT has 11.5/10.6 front/rear brake discs. The brake discs on the WRX NY show car were clearly smaller than the Legacy 3.0R parked next to it but some of the folks here (I believe Paisan) kept on insisting that the discs on the new REX are the GT's larger discs. Either way, since I am waiting for the 09 STI to get here, I am not impacted ! 
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jul 24, 2007 7:44 am) How are they trying to compensate? Here is when the whole Camry comes in picture. - and it is not so irrelevant, as one may imagine. Hear me on this: WRX goes mainstream - i.e. trying to attract crowd sensitive to "fluff factor". Those people would touch old WRX because its high because road noise, not so nice interior, boy-racer image, but still want strong horsepower (number is very important to them) and price below 30K. Q: What do these people buy today? A: Six cylinder versions of Camry, Accord or Altima. So lets assume the "racer people" (hardcore, weekend and wanna-be's) are gone (bye Steve ). Has Subaru done enough with WRX to attract "V6 midsize FWD for 25-30K people"?. Answer: I don't think so. They're trying to eat the cake and still have it.
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