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Re: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Second Opinion [aaykay] by SubyTrojan
Jul 23, 2007 (2:22 pm)
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Replying to: aaykay (Jul 23, 2007 2:14 pm)

I drove a stock 2006 WRX before I submitted my final piece. Perhaps you should read what I posted in the link I provided earlier.
 
As far as I know, the handling and interior of the 2006-2007 WRX is the same as the 2005 WRX. The 2005 WRX is pretty much the same as the 2002-2004 WRX save for the updated interior.
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Re: LSD [ateixeira] by aaykay
Jul 23, 2007 (2:48 pm)
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Replying to: ateixeira (Jul 23, 2007 11:06 am)

I would not assume the rear suspension was lighter duty. The old one was a plain old strut, nothing special. The new one may be more compact, but it's more complex and advanced by a long shot. You imply it's lighter duty but note that Subaru used the struts on its smaller cars and now uses a design derived from its heavier duty models.

 
Actually, Honda also uses the term "compact" to describe the Double Wishbone employed in their bottom-feeder Civic (the Civic incidentally, has had the design similar to the 08 WRX with the struts in the front and "compact" Double Wishbones in the rear, for a couple of generations but I don't recall anybody praising the Civic's handling and dissing the Impreza's handling till date ), while they don't use the term "compact" to describe the Double-wishbone in their Accord based brethren like the TSX or even the Accord itself.
 
Thus when they stated that the Impreza rear suspension is a "compact" double wishbone, I tend to think it is a lighter duty version when compared to their strut-based design or even the heavier duty multi-link suspension in the Legacy-based models. Obviously, there is no comparison with the huge Double-wishbones employed in the Tribeca, from a lighter/heavier duty perspective, other than the term "Double Wishbone".
 
This is one strike against the "modding" crowd, since they will not be able to replace their DB based suspension as readily/cheaply as they could replace their struts.
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Re: LSD [aaykay] by paisan
Jul 23, 2007 (3:31 pm)
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Replying to: aaykay (Jul 23, 2007 2:48 pm)

Actually, Honda also uses the term "compact" to describe the Double Wishbone employed in their bottom-feeder Civic (the Civic incidentally, has had the design similar to the 08 WRX with the struts in the front and "compact" Double Wishbones in the rear, for a couple of generations but I don't recall anybody praising the Civic's handling and dissing the Impreza's handling till date ), while they don't use the term "compact" to describe the Double-wishbone in their Accord based brethren like the TSX or even the Accord itself.
 
The civic which the Acura Integra Type R is based off of is highly regarded as one of the best, if not THE best handling sports compact car ever produced. It has double rear wishbone suspension, so I guess that's a bad thing! haaaaaa
 
-mike
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Re: LSD [paisan] by aaykay
Jul 23, 2007 (5:26 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Jul 23, 2007 3:31 pm)

Mike, the Acura Integra (the basis for the Type-R), was the LAST generation of the Civic platform, which did not have the "compact" designation for the Double Wishbones and had Double Wishbones in the Front AND the rear.
 
I used to have a GSR (Type-R's little brother with slightly less HP and without the LSD) and used to love the handling of that car.
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Re: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Second Opinion [SubyTrojan] by aaykay
Jul 23, 2007 (7:33 pm)
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Replying to: SubyTrojan (Jul 23, 2007 2:22 pm)

One question that raised quite a bit of ruckus here in the past, was over the WRX brakes. Based on your observation, are these the GT's larger front brake discs (with the 2-piston calipers) or are these the slightly smaller brake discs from the 2002+ WRX ?
 
Thanks.
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Re: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Second Opinion [rsholland] by stevecebu
Jul 23, 2007 (7:52 pm)
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Replying to: rsholland (Jul 23, 2007 12:19 pm)

You seem to think your opinion is of more value than others here simply because you're putting money where your mouth is—as you've told us a bunch of times.
I can't think of anything more arrogant!

 
Really Bob, well you should look back at what you said previously about Subaru wanting to sell more cars then. After all you and others have pointed out more than a few times Subaru is in the business to make money.
my point was and is that in 6 months i will HAVE to buy a car. You have a 2006 and are not looking to buy one. So in 1,2 or 3 years or whenever it is you will buy a car then. This car is out now. You won't be buying it so it's not arrogant for me as a buyer to like or not like a car that I will actually be paying money for.
Hardly arrogance. But you and a few others really want to argue with me. I am done discussing this with you as I have pointed out in the past that you have some valid points and yet not once had you acknowledged that I have any valid points yet the reviews from various magazines,tend to lean more towards what I was saying.
Arrogance is bragging that Subaru listens to you. They don't listen to me, that's ok, I can decide whether or not to buy their car after I drive one.
You have totally missed every point I have ever made.
And since i'm sure nothing will make you happier that us not conversing any more then just don't reply and I won't reply to you any more either.
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Re: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Second Opinion [paisan] by stevecebu
Jul 23, 2007 (8:08 pm)
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Replying to: paisan (Jul 23, 2007 12:48 pm)

I might also add that steve keeps comparing the WRX to an Accord and a Camry, of which there is zero in common in terms of anything other than price.
 
Sorry Mike but I really want you to understand my point which it seems no one does and that is that cars cost money which is a a quantifiable thing. The new WRX is going to cost at least $25K or more if you get any option packages.
There are a lot of cars available for that kind of money that are mainstream cars. It has been stated over and over and over by you guys and damn near everyone else that Subaru wants to be more mainstream. I don't think anyone disagrees with that since Subaru said it themselves so it's not a debatable point.
I'm sorry you don't like my 2 choices for mainstream cars. I can pick some others but I picked the 2 best selling cars in that price range.
I NEVER said the Accord drives better or is faster nor did i say that about the Camry. You guys are indicating that i did. Driving a Camry is like driving a toaster or a microwave oven. But I defy you to prove in anyway that it is not a mainstream car. It and the Accord are THE mainstream cars. Pick some other brand if you want but it won't matter. People do factor in price when they buy a car. I am simply pointing out much to the obvious disdain of Subaru fans that when you spend $25K+ on a car you sure want a god deal for your money and Subaru is courting the mainstream buyer now or rather trying to.
Subaru offers AWD and that's about it. Not everyone is an enthusiast as you have pointed out. But those people still buy cars and will they really care that much about AWD or anything else just being average car buyers? I don't think they will. I think they won't care much about the "Driving experience" I think comfort and other issues will come into play during the purchasing decision.
I guess I'm the only person who sees that tho.
So consider me out of this conversation. I will probably follow it from time to time but obviously people would rather hear what they want to hear and at least a few have made it clear that I and my opinions are no longer welcome in this particular forum. So enjoy your cars whichever ones you guys buy and i'll do the same.
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Re: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Second Opinion [aaykay] by SubyTrojan
Jul 23, 2007 (11:25 pm)
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Replying to: aaykay (Jul 23, 2007 7:33 pm)

Hi aaykay.
 
Ah yes, the new car's brakes...
 
Pedal feel is average, but the brakes grab well once the driver is really stomping on the brake pedal. However, braking ability is still limited by the *wonderful* all-season Bridgestone Potenza RE92A tires (just as the previous years' cars' braking ability were hampered by tire grip).
 
It has been confirmed on NASIOC that the front brake disc part numbers on the 2008 WRX match the front brake disc P/Ns of the Subaru Outback 2.5 XT. The calipers themselves I'm guessing are from the Subaru Legacy/Outback or 2002-2005 WRX.
 
I hope this helps clear things up.
 
God bless,
Loren
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Re: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Second Opinion [SubyTrojan] by dino001
Jul 24, 2007 (4:02 am)
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Replying to: SubyTrojan (Jul 23, 2007 11:25 pm)

Yeah - why is that they're insisting on that junk (I mean those tires that nobody other than Subaru seems to like). I could think of probably 5 or 10 different ones that are similarly prices and superior in nearly every aspect, from grip to wear, to ride quality.
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Re: 2008 Subaru Impreza WRX Second Opinion [stevecebu] by rsholland
Jul 24, 2007 (4:31 am)
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Replying to: stevecebu (Jul 23, 2007 7:52 pm)

No one here has missed any of the points you've been making, as you've pounded them into our heads so many times I can't even begin to count.
 
What you fail to understand is that some of us may not agree with you. That's the difference. You take pot shots at me and others who welcome the new-found comfort and refinement of the WRX, saying that we should go by Camrys instead. Or because we're not in the market at the moment, and you are, that your opinion is more important than ours. So, yeah, I'm upset—and have every right to be.
 
You constantly complain that Subaru doesn't listen to you. Can you blame them them? You've got a lot to learn in terms of people skills. There are ways of making points—and convincing others to seeing it your way. I'm clearly not the only one here who feels this way, as you've alienated just about everyone here with your in-the-face and confrontational negativism.
 
As you've stated before—over and over and over—the WRX, and the direction Subaru is going with this car in terms of market position and audience, is not for you. You've even stated it's at the bottom of cars you are considering. So come to grips with it and move on to something you like better.
 
Bob

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