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#18 of 25 Re: Not Peaked yet..... [larsb] by gagrice

Mar 24, 2007 (12:49 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Mar 24, 2007 9:53 am)
Pretty sad that only 2 of the Toyota hybrids are offered as high mileage vehicles. But then the others are for the 0-60 hotrod crowd as you mentioned. The latest hybrid hotrod will do 0-60 in 4 seconds. If it gets 50 MPG it will be a winner.
 
I still want a Ranger sized PU that gets 45 MPG like the rest of the world has. Too bad Toyota will not fill that request.
 
PS
I only count 5 Toy/Lex hybrids out on the market.

#19 of 25 Re: Not Peaked yet..... [gagrice] by larsb

Mar 24, 2007 (1:54 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Mar 24, 2007 12:49 pm)
gary says, "PS I only count 5 Toy/Lex hybrids out on the market."
 
That's why saying they have "peaked" seems kinda out of touch with the future.....
 
You know that they have many times indicated that they want to "hybridize" virtually every car they sell, or at least put Hybrid as an option alongside "Luxury Package #5."
 
They usually do what they say publicly they are going to do.

#20 of 25 Re: Not Peaked yet..... [larsb] by gagrice

Mar 24, 2007 (4:05 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Mar 24, 2007 1:54 pm)
How are you counting that they have 9 or 11 hybrids? Are you referring to trim level? Or future models that have not been released?

#21 of 25 Re: Not Peaked yet..... [gagrice] by larsb

Mar 25, 2007 (6:54 am)

Replying to: gagrice (Mar 24, 2007 4:05 pm)
Did I say Toyota has 9 or 11 hybrids? Let me check......NOPE I guess I didn't say that.....
 
All I said is that they are going to be having more as time goes by.

#22 of 25 Re: Not Peaked yet..... [larsb] by gagrice

Mar 25, 2007 (8:21 am)

Replying to: larsb (Mar 24, 2007 9:53 am)
Just a reminder of past posting number 17. Was it yours or someone else's statement? Hard to tell with no link to an article. You do interject your opinion in articles.
 
Toyota and Lexus have 11 hybrid models on sale,
 
I still only see 5 without a PU in the bunch. Lots of big gas guzzling PU trucks coming out from Toyota. That should make some people happy. Not me, I still want a PU that gets good mileage.
 
PS
I could care less if it goes 0-60 in 2.5 seconds. I'm after 35+ MPG. Diesel is the ONLY option so far, and then not in the land of the free.

#23 of 25 Re: Not Peaked yet..... [larsb] by stevedebi

Mar 26, 2007 (3:48 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Mar 24, 2007 9:53 am)
"Au Contraire Mi Amaire..............
  
Quote from Toyota exec at the Geneva Auto Show earlier this month:"
 
I agree with the former statement; Toyota has peaked (on the important stuff). From an environmental and $$ standpoint, HSD only makes a lot of sense in one of two instances:
 
small cars - get high MPG
larger vehicles - get more power (but not better MPG).
 
There is a sliding scale here (the HH and RX400H are on the upper end of efficiency), so nothing is absolute.
 
While Toyota may offer the HSD on heavier vehicles, it doesn't do as much good as on the lighter vehicles. Auto stop will help some, but in general these vehicles get less good out of hybridization that smaller vehicles. So there is little recovery of the extra costs and complexity of the hybrid powertrain, not to mention the cargo space costs of the batteries.
 
When you get REALLY small (think Yaris), one gets into problems with the extra weight of the hybrid not being worth the HSD improvements for a car that already gets good MPG.

#24 of 25 Re: Not Peaked yet..... [stevedebi] by larsb

Mar 27, 2007 (6:19 am)

Replying to: stevedebi (Mar 26, 2007 3:48 pm)
Well, until Toyota brass is shown to be a bunch of total liars, I'm gonna believe them when they say that want to offer hybrid options in VIRTUALLY every vehicle they sell.
 
Pickups? We'll see.

#25 of 25 Re: Not Peaked yet..... [larsb] by stevedebi

Mar 27, 2007 (12:45 pm)

Replying to: larsb (Mar 27, 2007 6:19 am)
I think they may well offer it in most vehicles, but it won't pay off in some models.

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