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#180 of 684 Re: 2005 Colorado flipping out [mrwebman]
Feb 28, 2009 (8:09 pm)
OK, so I'll take the blower problem out of the mix and just get a replacement resistor pack. Good, one down.
Now, I cleaned my MAF sensor today and it made no difference whatsoever to the way the engine idles. The engine is fluctuating between 450 and 700 rpm at idle so this presumably must be the AIC? sensor or a vacuum leak as the engine light code suggests.
My 2006 Mazda MPV LX will turn off the outside lights if the key is out of the ignition for ten minutes and the light are left on by accident. It will also turn off the inside lights if a door is left open by accident. That's what I meant by drain-protection.
If I have everything on in my 05 Colorado with the key turned to ACC, and then start the engine... everything turns off for a second until the engine is running... lights, radio, accessories. That is intentional switching somewhere in the harness. I was wondering if that could be selectively failing some circuits but it doesn't really make sense, especially considering your blower resistors. I guess I just over-heated my CD-player and it needed a while to reset.
Your electrical consumption figures seem to be generally accurate. My alternator says it pulls 400W continuous, which is 400/12=33A continuous draw against the acc harness and 800W peak draw (66A). The Factory fitted alternator in the Colorado is rated for 100A - 120A. This means that even at full load, the alternator can power my inverter with 35A - 55A spare for everything else and charging the battery (not including voltage drop across the harness and components).
BUT!!! I degunked my engine bay today and, wouldn't you believe it, I heard a horrendous squeeling noise (above 1000rpm) coming from somewhere on the belt. I checked everything and everything was turning, so I am willing to bet it's the bearing in the alternator. I heard this squeeling occasionally before but I was driving around the mountains in Washington and Oregon states so I figured it was cold and moisture on the belt. Not so.
Anyhoo, I found a High Output Alternator (200A) for the Colorado for reasonably cheap so I think I'll do that and get a new belt just for s***s & giggles.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/04-06-CHEVY-COLORADO-NEW-HI-OUTPUT-ALTERNATOR-200- -AMPS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713Q2em153Q2el1262QQcategoryZ33573QQihZ010QQit- emZ200306064612
#181 of 684 Re: 2005 Colorado flipping out [Alennx]
Mar 01, 2009 (7:34 am)
Sorry, I can't help with the sensors. If you knew someone that had a similar vehicle that you could switch them out for a second, that would be great... Otherwise, I guess you'll have to go by the codes that's being shot and replace sensors one at a time...
Anything turned off automagically is done so by a contactor (relay). Contactors are pretty easy to test. Either change them out one at a time or swap them around to see if the symptoms change. Mine are located in the relay box under the hood. The really huge ones are outside of that box.
Your computations for the alternator are close. An alternator is designed to put out 13.8 volts (some actually a little higher). If your alternator is rated at 400W then it's capable of 400/13.8 which is 30 amps. The battery voltage when not being charged is generally 12 volts but can be down to 10 or lower depending on it's charge condition. A 500 watt load (inverter for instance) is pulling: engine on and battery charged: 500/13.8=36 amps; with engine off and fully charged battery 500/12=42 amps; engine off and weak battery 500/10= 50 amps. If you let the battery get much below 10 volts bad things start happening like starters not working and electronics failing.
On RV's you'll almost always see a separate set of heavy duty batteries just for the inverter. Instead of buying a bigger alternator, I would recommend adding a single deep cycle battery and battery isolation diode assembly to charge it. You can pick up the diode assembly at most auto parts stores or any RV supply house for around $50, maybe less. Wire your inverter directly to this battery with heavy duty cable. By adding this second battery you get several advantages: you'll never be stranded somewhere because of a dead start-battery; you keep most of the noise out of everything on your vehicle because the diode assembly isolates it; and you'll probably save your vehicle battery from premature failure because car batteries are not deep cycle batteries and the constant deep drain and recharge wants to send you back to the auto parts store prematurely. It is a truck so putting it in the bed up close to the cab should work and that keeps the huge wires going to the inverter short thus less $. If you have an audio shop near by they could help you because they do this sort of thing all of the time... you've heard them at the red lights... boom boom boom. The noise drives us all crazy but look at the electronics in one of those sometime - it's pretty amazing.
#182 of 684 Re: 2005 Colorado flipping out [mrwebman]
Mar 02, 2009 (1:42 am)
Yeah, sensors eh? Darn em all!
All the alternator stuff I've come across rates an Alternator in amps. My factory unit is rated at up to 120A... and it puts out 14.7V under full draw from the headlights and inverter and radio, etc... I've seen it with my own eyes This is how I know I don't have a ground fault, otherwise the ground fault would be subtracting from the harness voltage, which appears to be very healthy.
I fitted an Optima Yellow battery, which is specifically designed for Deep Cycle and is actually warrantied for it (unlike the Optima Red). I have killed two standard batteries in this truck since I started using it for work. the factory battery (570A) died in about a year and the replacement (870A) died in eight months. Clearly the Deep Cycle feature is necessary for my kind of use. I'll post if it fails.
You know, they build trucks with inverters factory fitted. Are they using a noise-filtered 6V battery under the hood to power it? I bet they are, based on your RV story.
Anyway, the reality is I'm going to keep using my inverter because I have to power all this crap. My truck is at 72K so things are going to start going wrong on it and now I have to play grease-monkey until my boy passes his test and I can unload it onto him. He's sure to crash it, so then I can buy my new Trailblazer with everything working on it.
#183 of 684 Re: 2005 Colorado flipping out [Alennx]
Mar 02, 2009 (3:43 am)
They don't make Trailblazers anymore and the few 09's left are getting fewer due to the high rebates to unload them.
#184 of 684 Re: 2005 Colorado flipping out [dmathews3]
Mar 02, 2009 (11:17 am)
I was going to pick up a used '07 or '08 EXT 4x4 for about $8K here in Cali.
I just want one OK! ...
#185 of 684 Re: 2005 Colorado flipping out [Alennx]
Mar 03, 2009 (3:54 am)
lennx said: He's sure to crash it, so then I can buy my new Trailblazer with everything working on it.
Lennx also said: I was going to pick up a used '07 or '08 EXT 4x4 for about $8K here in Cali. I just want one OK! ...
You said NEW which is a lot different than OLD. Tell your story straight and I wouldn't have posted that they aren't made anymore.
#186 of 684 Re: 2005 Colorado flipping out [dmathews3]
Mar 03, 2009 (11:05 am)
You're right, I need to be sure my tenses and adjectives are entirely accurate in order to avoid post-confusion.
Anyhoo, I changed my mind again. I need a mid-sized truck with a bed... so I guess it's another Colorado UNLESS THEY AREN'T MAKING THOSE ANYMORE EITHER? EH?
#187 of 684 Re: My 2004 colorado 3.5 liter stalls for no reason out of the blue. [briguy7]
Mar 03, 2009 (12:52 pm)
I also have a 2004 Canyon that has reduced power issues. In the last year and a half it has had $5000 worth of parts and labor put into it and still acts up. The best the mechanics can come up with is that moisture is building up in the engine and it is setting off the sensors putting it into reduced power as a safety feature. Anyone have any suggestions what else to look for or how to stop the moisture build up. I just left the garage yesterday and $850 lighter for the truck to act up a couple hours later. It is real reassuring when the mechanics tell you they have never seen anything like this before!! I am ready to put a match to it.
#188 of 684 Re: 2005 Colorado flipping out [Alennx]
Mar 03, 2009 (1:06 pm)
Don't laugh, we won't know for sure until the end of March when our great uncle decides whether GM survives or not. If not the Colorado sure won't if they do become reborn as a Chinnee Manufacturer. I know if the American people let the Big 3 die I'll never buy anything ever made in this country again. Let them all die.
#189 of 684 Re: My 2004 colorado 3.5 liter stalls for no reason out of the blue. [burnthecanyon]
Mar 04, 2009 (2:14 am)
Sir, I am going to say this as respectfully as I can. You are an idiot. WAIT! Before you take offense I'll explain why... assuming what you say is accurate.
1. You have paid $5000 for repairs to a $20,000 vehicle. There are Gambling Addicts who have better control of their Cost/Loss ratio. You could have bought two new engines AND had them installed for that money!
2. Moisture in the engine? Do you live in the Mojave? Drizzle, Rain, Downpour, Sleet, Snow... at 70mph, where do you imagine all that water is going? Your engine bay is getting soaked! The Lemon Law would be in full effect on that type of defect. There is no "Reduced Power" setting for dampness!!!!!
3. Your Mechanic is ripping you off blind. You clearly need a friend who has some mechanical/electrical know-how so that he (or she) can take the truck in for you and talk to the Mechanic. When they realize what a BS line you are being fed, they will find you a decent Mechanic and get the problem (which you haven't yet described) fixed for a reasonable amount.
4. The first time I changed the oil on my first car, I spent an hour trying to pour a gallon of oil in through the dipstick hole cos I couldn't find the oil cap, which was clearly marked right on top of the engine where you would expect it to be. I too am fully qualified idiot.
Please describe your symptoms and I'm sure we will be able to tell you what isn't wrong with your Canyon