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#59 of 90 Re: Toyota Prius is a SAFETY HAZARD [priusdar] by oldcoach Jun 10, 2008 (11:33 am)
Replying to: priusdar (Jun 07, 2008 6:06 pm) I am a happy 2008 Prius owner, may be looking for another, maybe I could be talked into taking your unsafe 08 prius off your hands. Hate to see you drive an unsafe vehicle. What state are you located in? How many miles on the Prius? Which model is it,which packages does it have? Will you give someone a real GOOD DEAL to get rid of it ?
#60 of 90 Re: Toyota Prius is a SAFETY HAZARD [priusdar] by mmgwh Jun 10, 2008 (5:16 pm)
Replying to: priusdar (Jun 07, 2008 6:06 pm) Priusdr, GET a GRIP on yourself!!   First of all Consumeraffairs.com is NOT Consumers Union, the publisher of Consumer Reports magazine. They do NOT test cars, they do not provide independent opinions and ratings, and they accept advertising on their site. Most importantly, according to their very own FAQ, about 1/2 way down, they are "basically a complaint site" and all the information is submitted by their readers. You should really keep this in perspective -- what you are reading is the anecdotal stories of a few people who felt like airing their complaints.   Regarding the FAULTY (your caps, not mine) gas tank design, it's only faulty if it LEAKS (my caps, not yours), otherwise I think I can live with it and not be TOTALLY DISGUSTED.   Keeping things in perspective and understanding the sources of information are wonderful things. Enjoy your Prius if you can. I love mine.
#61 of 90 Toyota States NO FIX for Bladder defect by priusdar Jun 10, 2008 (6:16 pm)
I am glad that others are happy with their Prius. I was until May 23rd. The time I needed to count on my car was on a road trip with long distances between fill ups. In town and in areas where fuel is readily avialable, it is important to know how far you can travel on the road.   I spoke with Toyota technicians and other Prius owners BEFORE I began looking at what other Prius owners were noting as challenges they have experienced with their cars. The sites do echo what I have been told ... I did not take the complaint sites as the truth.   With that said ... here is the response and acknolwedgement that the bladder issue cannot be fixed from Toyota Coprortate:   Subject Re: Prius gas tank safety issues   Dear Ms. : We apologize with your dissatisfaction with the fuel tank bladder in your 2008 Prius.   As your Case Manager explained to you, this is the design of the fuel tank and there is no repair available to change the design.   We appreciate you taking the time to let us know of your dissatisfaction with the fuel tank bladder because the only way we know what our customers are looking for is when they tell us, as you have. We try to scope our customers out in advance, by researching the market, conducting interviews, surveys, focus groups and doing our homework, but there's no better source than a Toyota owner who takes the time to tell us like it is.   We can't guarantee that a change would be made, but if it were, it would be driven by just this sort of honest communication.   We have documented your email at our National Headquarters under file #. If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us.   Sincerely,   Toyota Customer Experience   In closing, I find it interesting that individuals feel the need to offer to buy this car ... no thank you. And others express that I need to get a grip. Thank you all for your comments ... you all lucky owners that have not yet experienced the serious issues that MANY other ownes have and I hope that you never do. Replies to this message: yermell (Jun 11, 2008 4:20 am) kdhspyder (Jul 23, 2008 5:25 am)
#62 of 90 Re: Toyota States NO FIX for Bladder defect [priusdar] by yermell Jun 11, 2008 (4:20 am)
Replying to: priusdar (Jun 10, 2008 6:16 pm) Update on Prius tank issue. I wrote in March about only being able to fill my tank to approximately 7.5 gallons, and the Toyota dealership's lack of response and identifying that temperature significantly impacted the bladder. As the weather has warmed I have been getting more fuel in the tank and have been filling more slowly as many have advised. At the end of May we drove 3600 miles from MA to FL and back with stops on the way. Once on the road with warmer weather in the 80's the tank capacity returned to normal (note I have had the vehicle for 2 yrs with 45,000 miles). My fill-ups were back in the 8 gal range with 3 clicks left on gauge. It should be noted that when I filled up, even in winter when the tank shrinks, the gauge always shows 10 clicks so it is full at that time with however many gallons it fits. I don't think you'd run out of gas with 1-2 clicks left but you have to keep in mind that with the lower total capacity your 1/10th clicks represent less. I love my Prius, we will be buying a 2nd one and if this is the only negative, nothing is perfect.   On the positive side my avg mileage per tank was 48.8. It was obvious that driving 80 mph the mileage was 44.7 or so, but when you slowed to speed limit of 65-70 the mileage went up to 49 mpg per tank; on two legs of the trip we drove up Hwy 17 from Wilmington NC to Ocean city MD and then to Wilmington DE area and our mileage over this area driving 55-60 mph was 53-54+ mpg for 2+ tanks of gas. It really drove home the point that driving the speed limit or lowering the speed limit to 55-60 as was done in the 70's has a tremendous impact on efficiency.
#63 of 90 600+ miles on 1 tank of gas... by scottc3 Jun 19, 2008 (12:42 pm)
The writer above is correct, we will all get about 50mpg.. +/- a bit. You drive 500 miles, you have used about 10 gallons of gas, so you should put 10 gallons in if you fill up. For me, I like to know how much gas I have in my tank when I get down to 1 bar left, or 1 increment on other cars I own. I just like to know this. For the first 3-4 months I thought I had 3 gallons left in the tank, based on a 9 gallon fill-up when I reached the last bar.. and the tank being 12 gallons. I thought I could drive another 150 miles when my car hit the last mark on the fuel gauge. My ASSUMPTION was that I had 12 gallons in the tank.. this is clearly NOT the case for must cars. If you have read my recent posts.. my last 'fill-up' was a true fill-up, with gas overflowing out the fuel inlet... not much, but it came out. I have now driven 600 miles on this tank of gas and my last light has not started blinking yet (indicating I need to get gas). So, I put in a bit more then 12 gallons in the tank on this last fill. I will know soon how many gallons, or less, I have in the tank when I'm no the last mark. For me, this will be useful information.   I really like my car.. I just want to know the above info for my own sake.   sc
#64 of 90 Major system hybrid failure with 5,5 l in the tank by pierre12 Jun 28, 2008 (6:16 am)
Hi all. I've read that the low gas gauge was supposed to show with 11,5 l left in the tank. I ran into a major hybrid system failure 25 km after the gauge started to blink. When the dealer filled it up, there was 5,5 l left in the tank. Now I,ve read about the difference while filling up and I got a copy of a page stating that the tank, made of resine, could compress up to 5 l in cold temperatures. That explains why we cannot consistantly fill up to the 45 l capacity. Has any of you come across this major failure problem with close to 1 ½ US gal in the tank? With suppositely 11,5 l (3 US gal) left, I expect to do a lot more than 25 km (14 miles)....   Thanks Replies to this message: sergelbergeron (Jul 04, 2008 1:36 pm)
#65 of 90 Re: Major system hybrid failure with 5,5 l in the tank [pierre12] by sergelbergeron Jul 04, 2008 (1:36 pm)
Replying to: pierre12 (Jun 28, 2008 6:16 am) PIerre - way back in March I posted about running out of gaz with my 08 Prius - this being the first time in my life - anyway I did about 47 miles after the blinking started before the motor stopped - I was on the QEW close to Niagara - going 110Km/H. when oops the big red light turned on - so with the electric motor - I did about 1-2 km and was watching my battery. I decided to stop because the book clearly says don't empty your battery. Everytime - my light started blinking in the past I would go maybe 10-20 miles and tank up and I also saw that I had lots of gaz left - like I could still do at least 100KM and more. Anyway - I now know when it blinks - I find a gaz station. I still love our 2 Prius's (05-08) and I placed an order to get a new 08 for my wife and will have an 05 to sell in September - any buyers around?
#66 of 90 Re: Toyota Prius is a SAFETY HAZARD [priusdar] by kdhspyder Jul 23, 2008 (5:08 am)
Replying to: priusdar (Jun 07, 2008 6:06 pm) Just saw your post.   You CANNOT trust anything posted over at CA because none of it is verifieable. BTW, Consumer Affairs IS NOT Consumer Reports.   CA is a site run by lawyers, look at the fine print deeper in the site, who are trolling for scared and unknowledgable owners of anything who are angry or just don't understand how certain things work. They are trying to gather data from 'reports' in order to see if there is sufficient interest to open a class action lawsuit.    This has nothing to do with Toyota specifically. CA wants to sue every manufacturer of any product; drugs, carseats, autos, toys, you name it. Its only purpose is to gather data so that the lawyers can make money by filing class action suits. The one thing that they DONT have is any verifiable proven data on any complaint, it's all 'he said...she said stuff'. In addition and this is most damning, the complainers don't even have to own the product on which they are filing the complaint. A complaint(s) on the Prius can be filed by the Chrysler Marketing Dept. Complaints about Chevy trucks can be filed by a Toyota dealership. And....complaints about the bladder variability issue can even be made by the CA staff themselves to see if this net catches any unsuspecting fish.   That's all that CA compiles, complaints. Better you should look at the NHTSA website.
#67 of 90 Re: Toyota States NO FIX for Bladder defect [priusdar] by kdhspyder Jul 23, 2008 (5:25 am)
Replying to: priusdar (Jun 10, 2008 6:16 pm) I have my 2005 at 83000 mi plus. I too have experienced the 'bladder variability issue' on rare occasions.   But going over the top on such a silly inconsequential issue is silly. HINT: Use your common sense.   I'm sure that you didn't have this explained to you when you took delivery of your Prius. If it had been explained to you up front then you'd be able to deal with the variability.   Simply put, don't let the bars go below 2. At the 2-bar level you will have driven about 350-400 miles ( MFD indication ). When the bars hit 2 look for a gas station. At that time you will put in about 7-8 gal of fuel ( 380 mi / 48 mpg = ~8 gal ). That's it. It really is that simple. Trust me on this after 83000 miles. I have a friend who's at 205,000 miles on his 2004 and he's never run out of gas.   Common sense has a lot to do with it. If you've driven 350 miles and your MFD is showing 50 mpg then you should 'expect' to add about 7 gal. So what if the pump shuts off after 4.5 gal? Common sense. Bleed in another 2.5 gal. It will work it only takes common sense. How do I know this? I've been at 1 bar knowing that I should put in about 9+ gal. However for whatever technical variability the pump shut off after 3/4 of a gallon. Well I know that can't be right. Common sense tells me that somehow I have to put in more than 3/4 of a gallon. I'm sure that I have to put in between 8-10 gallon, 3/4 of a gallon just will not fill the tank.   Now if you WANT to blow this out of proportion that's always your choice, just don't expect a lot of love from anyone other than CA. If you're a troll, then enjoy your life as one.
#68 of 90 Re: Prius and filling the tank [jchshade1969] by whitey9 Jul 26, 2008 (4:29 am)
Replying to: jchshade1969 (Mar 06, 2007 11:00 am) Stick it in! All the way! Or maybe try another pump with a different nozzle. No problem w/my '07. Sometimes have problem w/wife's '06 Hybrid Mariner. I just reposition the nozzle and go on filling.

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