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Chevrolet Tahoe, Honda Pilot, Isuzu Trooper, Ford Expedition, Dodge Durango, Ford Freestyle, Volvo XC90, SUV
Jun 13, 2009 (5:36 pm)
Watch out Volfangary, "selfishly" putting your family's safety before that of complete strangers won't set well with socialist Bob.
#87 of 118 Re: Vehicle Safety [volfangary]
Jun 13, 2009 (8:08 pm)
choice between protecting my family or protecting everyone else in society
One could argue SUV owners gain their safety at the expense of others upon whom they impose greater risk. But then I'm not sure that any of this is pertinent to the topic at hand.
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#88 of 118 Re: Vehicle Safety [motorhead15]
Jun 14, 2009 (5:01 am)
How are body on frame SUVs safer than unibody SUVs of the same mass?
The body on frame SUV is stiffer (less crushable). This doesn't mean it is safer in all types of collison. In fact in a single vehicle collision with a very stiff obstruction (tree, concrete wall, bridge, etc.) the extra stiffness of the body on frame will cause higher crash forces to the occupants.
In a two vehicle collision between vehicles of unequal mass, the occupants of the more massive one experience proportionally lower crash forces, and the occupants of the less massive one proportionally higher forces.
If you have to do serious towing or hauling, then the pick-up based RWD SUV is the best for the job. But these massive high powered vehicles consume fuel at a higher rate, which is a threat to our economic future.
#89 of 118 Re: Vehicle Safety [jim314]
Jun 14, 2009 (4:14 pm)
traverse v6 (cuv) has a curb weight about 100 lbs more than a trailblazer ext v8 (suv).
it is making an assumption that the the 'frame' of an suv is not designed to handle a collision in any manner different than a cuv.
#90 of 118 Re: Vehicle Safety [motorhead15]
Jun 17, 2009 (9:14 am)
"putting your family's safety before that of complete strangers"
Actually the "strangers" I'm thinking about are my brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins, neighbors, co-workers, etc..., who actually mean something to me, but then you're more concerned with yourself and the dog sitting beside you...hmmmm. And yes I know that anyone who thinks of others is called a "socialist."
Now let me go back to my Prius forum with rest of the socialists
#91 of 118 Re: Vehicle Safety [explorerx4]
Jun 17, 2009 (10:25 am)
The real heart of the matter is that people who drive heavy, stiff vehicles shouldn't be castigated as totally unconcerned about the safety of the occupants of other vehicles.
And people who drive body-on-frame SUVs shouldn't claim that those who drive more fuel efficient and less menacing vehicles don't care about the safety of their family or other occupants of their vehicle.
It's a continuum. These are all legal vehicles. But the fact is that the era of cheap petroleum is coming to an end. To preserve our economy and our natural resources we may have to enact tax policies that discourage the discretionary high consumption of petroleum.
#93 of 118 Re: Vehicle Safety [jim314]
Jun 18, 2009 (9:02 am)
"These are all legal vehicles"
Just because something is legal doesn't make it right...eg smoking in offices was legal even though at the time the 2nd hand smoke was killing co-workers, but it took years for the legal system to catch up with what was right. Car pollution standards that were legal 30 years ago that made the air unbreathable in many cities are now illegal. Again, it takes a long time for the legal system to get in line what society feels is the right thing to do.
Obviously people can drive whatever legal vehicle is out there. My point is not to castigate everyone drive a giant SUV, but just encourage them to think outside their box... My hope is that MPG standards will get so high that manufacturers will have to reduce the size of vehicles they produce just to meet the MPG standards. That will create the twofold benefit of less gas usage and less big cars competing wtih the small ones.
#94 of 118 Re: Vehicle Safety [bobw3]
Jun 18, 2009 (10:08 am)
but just encourage them to think outside their box... My hope is that MPG standards will get so high that manufacturers will have to reduce the size of vehicles
That's not encouraging people to think outside their box, that's forcing them into yours. But I still think we should relegate the political discussion to another venue. hint, hint!
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