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Death of the body-on-frame SUV?

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#82 of 118 Vehicle Safety by motorhead15

Jun 12, 2009 (10:02 am)

Bob, If you want to risk your life unnecessarily, again that's your decision, but please don't let 35 mpg be your family's epitaph.

#83 of 118 Re: Vehicle Safety [motorhead15] by bobw3

Jun 12, 2009 (1:33 pm)

Replying to: motorhead15 (Jun 12, 2009 10:02 am)
If you want to keep repeating your same reponse unnecessarily, again that's your decision, but don't keep implying that everyone not driving the same vehicle as you is endangering their family. It's simply not true. Actually if you want to be really safe you'll stay off the road in any vehicle and as a bonus, you'll be risking less lives too. By the way, since you brought up the "epitaph" phrase at least mine won't say "I only cared about me and my dog."

#84 of 118 Re: Vehicle Safety [motorhead15] by bobw3

Jun 12, 2009 (5:02 pm)

Replying to: motorhead15 (Jun 12, 2009 10:02 am)
Anyway motorhead, you can continue to repeat the same thing if you like...it's a free country...and I'm sure you'll be happy when some others agree with your views. But I'm glad I made you think beyond yourself even a little bit...and you know I did (but I'm sure you'll say I didn't...that's okay too)!! Goodbye and happy motoring
 
P.S. Since you are driving a big car that you've said will crush the little ones, try and be extra carefull out there...hopefully you're never on the cell phone while driving, nor driving tired, not having your dog jumping on your lap, or otherwise distracted. With the freedom to drive whatever you want comes added responsibility that you have whether you want it or not.

#85 of 118 Re: Vehicle Safety [bobw3] by volfangary

Jun 12, 2009 (7:11 pm)

Replying to: bobw3 (Jun 12, 2009 5:02 pm)
Bob... If it's a choice between protecting my family or protecting everyone else in society, my family will win each time. If you want to put society first, that's your decision and I respect it and hope you respect mine. Happy and safe motoring to all!

#86 of 118 Vehicle Safety by motorhead15

Jun 13, 2009 (6:36 pm)

Watch out Volfangary, "selfishly" putting your family's safety before that of complete strangers won't set well with socialist Bob.

#87 of 118 Re: Vehicle Safety [volfangary] by tidester

Jun 13, 2009 (9:08 pm)

Replying to: volfangary (Jun 12, 2009 7:11 pm)
choice between protecting my family or protecting everyone else in society
 
One could argue SUV owners gain their safety at the expense of others upon whom they impose greater risk. But then I'm not sure that any of this is pertinent to the topic at hand.
 
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#88 of 118 Re: Vehicle Safety [motorhead15] by jim314

Jun 14, 2009 (6:01 am)

Replying to: motorhead15 (Jun 13, 2009 6:36 pm)
How are body on frame SUVs safer than unibody SUVs of the same mass?
 
The body on frame SUV is stiffer (less crushable). This doesn't mean it is safer in all types of collison. In fact in a single vehicle collision with a very stiff obstruction (tree, concrete wall, bridge, etc.) the extra stiffness of the body on frame will cause higher crash forces to the occupants.
 
In a two vehicle collision between vehicles of unequal mass, the occupants of the more massive one experience proportionally lower crash forces, and the occupants of the less massive one proportionally higher forces.
 
If you have to do serious towing or hauling, then the pick-up based RWD SUV is the best for the job. But these massive high powered vehicles consume fuel at a higher rate, which is a threat to our economic future.

#89 of 118 Re: Vehicle Safety [jim314] by explorerx4

Jun 14, 2009 (5:14 pm)

Replying to: jim314 (Jun 14, 2009 6:01 am)
traverse v6 (cuv) has a curb weight about 100 lbs more than a trailblazer ext v8 (suv).
it is making an assumption that the the 'frame' of an suv is not designed to handle a collision in any manner different than a cuv.

#90 of 118 Re: Vehicle Safety [motorhead15] by bobw3

Jun 17, 2009 (10:14 am)

Replying to: motorhead15 (Jun 13, 2009 6:36 pm)
"putting your family's safety before that of complete strangers"
 
Actually the "strangers" I'm thinking about are my brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, cousins, neighbors, co-workers, etc..., who actually mean something to me, but then you're more concerned with yourself and the dog sitting beside you...hmmmm. And yes I know that anyone who thinks of others is called a "socialist."
 
Now let me go back to my Prius forum with rest of the socialists

#91 of 118 Re: Vehicle Safety [explorerx4] by jim314

Jun 17, 2009 (11:25 am)

Replying to: explorerx4 (Jun 14, 2009 5:14 pm)
The real heart of the matter is that people who drive heavy, stiff vehicles shouldn't be castigated as totally unconcerned about the safety of the occupants of other vehicles.
 
And people who drive body-on-frame SUVs shouldn't claim that those who drive more fuel efficient and less menacing vehicles don't care about the safety of their family or other occupants of their vehicle.
 
It's a continuum. These are all legal vehicles. But the fact is that the era of cheap petroleum is coming to an end. To preserve our economy and our natural resources we may have to enact tax policies that discourage the discretionary high consumption of petroleum.

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