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Re: Kelly blue book [cooterbfd]
by dmathews3
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Jul 14, 2009 (8:23 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jul 13, 2009 5:11 pm)
Our Lansing plant used to build the Grand Am style of car which included a Buick and Olds. The first 2 years there was a manual option for the car which means the floor pan needed to be different, and the firewall was different. In a weeks time of over 5,000 cars built on 2 shifts they averaged less than 2 a week of the stick shift. The money it took to have the seperate parts made it not cost affective so the manual was dropped. With the newer auto's and now up to 6 speeds there just aren't enough people in this class of car to make it cost affective. Most people who drive the Malibu size car are families and they don't want to spend all their time around town shifting gears.
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Re: Kelly blue book [bvdj84]
by dmathews3
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Jul 14, 2009 (8:27 am)
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Replying to: bvdj84 (Jul 14, 2009 4:09 am)
Just looked at the Camry site and ONLY the very cheap basic Camry can have a manual. The basic LE and higher all are autos ONLY. I wouldn't be surprised if that goes away someday too.
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Re: Kelly blue book [dmathews3]
by mcdawgg
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Jul 14, 2009 (2:42 pm)
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Replying to: dmathews3 (Jul 14, 2009 8:27 am)
Not quite true. It depends on the region. You can get an SE and LE with a manual in some regions.
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Re: bvdj84 [elroy5]
by butch100
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Jul 14, 2009 (4:25 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jul 12, 2009 7:51 am)
I won't argue that point but I saved MORE than that up front on the initial purchase plus Malibu's are dirt cheap to insure, no one is gonna steal it and send it to a chop shop!, LOL...
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Re: Kelly blue book [bvdj84]
by butch100
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Jul 14, 2009 (4:36 pm)
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Replying to: bvdj84 (Jul 13, 2009 4:58 pm)
I apologize for the personal remark, it was uncalled for. I guess the line " GM's don't start like a dependable Honda on a cold day" sorta ticked me off, but still no excuse. I will remain civil or remove my self from the board.
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Re: bvdj84 [butch100]
by elroy5
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Jul 14, 2009 (6:12 pm)
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Replying to: butch100 (Jul 14, 2009 4:25 pm)
Just pointing out that the initial purchase price difference is not the lone factor in which car is cheaper to own. I don't think the new Accords can be stolen so easily (immobilizer system), so if they cost more to insure than a Malibu, it's because the value is higher. I think you get what you pay for, then it's up to you to make it worth what you paid for it. How long you keep the car, and what condition it's in when you do decide to sell it, are the major determining factors, in how much any car will cost to own. So I buy the car I want, then try to make it worth what I paid for it. If I subtract my last Accord's selling price from the purchase price, it cost me $1000/year. I can live with that. I hope to do at least as well with this one. Paying $4,000 less for a car doesn't help me, if I don't like it enough to keep it for 10 or more years.
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Re: bvdj84 [elroy5]
by imidazol97
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Jul 14, 2009 (6:35 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jul 14, 2009 6:12 pm)
>so if they cost more to insure than a Malibu, it's because the value is higher
I'm still hearing justificiation of a higher price for a car because, well, just because...
If a car costs more to insure it's most likely that it has a higher risk to the insurance company for theft, accident, and other kinds of damage.
That price has NOTHING to do with a car's being better than another car or worse than another car.
If someone wants to justify their likes for a car and being gouged by dealers in this area (your area may be different) then that's okay with me. I just don't want to hear forever that somehow that makes the car better than another car. I expect others to respect my choice of vehicles.
>(immobilizer system),
Other cars have theft deterrent systems that keep the engine from running also. Honda isn't unique in any way.
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Re: bvdj84 [imidazol97]
by elroy5
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Jul 14, 2009 (7:39 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jul 14, 2009 6:35 pm)
Stands to reason. If a car sells for more, and you can sell it after 5 years for more, it will cost more to replace. Then simple logic says it will also cost more to insure. I don't think theft has anything to do with it. Did I say Immobilizer was only for Accords? I only said they aren't as easy to steal as they once were. Not a problem where I live anyway.
Buy the car YOU want, and I will buy the car I want. We should both be happy then, right? 
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Re: Kelly blue book [butch100]
by thegraduate
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Jul 14, 2009 (8:13 pm)
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Replying to: butch100 (Jul 14, 2009 4:36 pm)
I'm a Honda driver, and don't particularly care for the Malibu, but I can certainly tell they've come a long way in ten years, and have every right to be directly compared with Accord and Camry.
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Re: bvdj84 [elroy5]
by bvdj84
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Jul 15, 2009 (3:14 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Jul 14, 2009 7:39 pm)
Isn't that the truth. Honestly, if the car you really want is a few $1k more, and it means you will keep it longer, be happier... Then get the car. Of course within reason.
There is a thing called $$.
I know, that when I look a new lease. I will look at what I want. Slow down and research, I am really focusing on a fun and fast engine.
But, for the same payment I paid on my 06 Accord SE lease, I have loaded GM car that has all the features, except for a V6. Features, that can be found on a $30k Passat I looked at. Perhaps a few more features. So that is good! Remote start comes in handy in the winter.
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