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#763 of 927 Re: Frame swap not so bad [mcalautt] by jjbillings Mar 02, 2009 (12:00 pm)
Replying to: mcalautt (Mar 02, 2009 9:56 am) mcalautt: "Not sure what experience you have directly with the repair of vehicles but your analogy about a frame swap being the same as brakes, suspension etc is wrong. "   mcalautt: I have many years of service experience, but more importantly, I owned a 1985 Toyota truck that I replaced the frame on. (As you can imagine I am a little ticked that I am 0 for 2 with toyota truck frames) I admit, I was a little weary at first, but the job overall went very smooth. After the swap, I drove it daily for 5 more years and 120,000 more miles trouble free ( I still own it)   An experienced tech, should know how to properly remove electrical connectors. And, if one should get damaged, fix it. Were talking vehicles that are 8 years old in the worst case.   Talking with techs who have done 2 frame swaps already, it went much smoother than anyone first anticipated.   My analogy to brakes, steering, etc..., was in the trust that someone who works on your vehicle will put it back together safely. El-cheepo tire barns who mount tires, install valve stems, and bolt wheels on everyday have an equal amount of responsibility, as would someone doing a frame swap. I guess everyone takes that kind of work for granted.   It's important to understand that this is just my opinion. Most people who know me, hold my opinion in high regard. I wanted to convey some optimism in an otherwise gloomy forum. Replies to this message: pataco01 (Mar 05, 2009 7:06 pm) mcalautt (Mar 05, 2009 7:26 pm)
#764 of 927 Re: Framed [rachelf] by mags6 Mar 02, 2009 (2:21 pm)
Replying to: rachelf (Feb 22, 2009 12:31 pm) Hi rachelf! Just wondering if any knows- are the new frames made of any better steel than the old ones that have rusted away? I am looking at a 2001 Tacoma Double Cab 4D in Ontario, Canada. This is also the land of the oh so salted roads. The truck is mint with 56000 miles on it. The frame looks pretty rusted but was tested Toyota Canada and had the "punch test" done. It "passed" and was sprayed with some covering that is supposed to protect it. Mmmmmmmm. I think that once rust in introduced it just keeps eating away at the steel and spreading. Should I buy this truck???? After reading all the comments here I am wondering. I sure it will need "frame replacement in the future. Any and all comments and suggestions greatly appreciated. Replies to this message: divwid (Mar 08, 2009 11:55 am) mags6 (Mar 09, 2009 6:09 pm) mags6 (Mar 10, 2009 4:46 am)
#765 of 927 The other 50% by missunderstood Mar 03, 2009 (8:38 am)
Hey all, just a heads up. Last year Toyota bought my '01 Taco back and after 2 months of arguing offered me $12k for it,,,,just barely KBB. Being completely sick of the whole proccess, I took the money and bought a Dodge. Well, wouldn't you know it, last week i got a call from Toyota Corp advising me that my '01 was now included in there buy back program and that they were sending me an additional check of $6k and change!!!! So, all total Toyota has now paid me just over $19k for my loved Taco. Had they initiated the full 150% KBB in the beginning we would still be driving a Toyota. However, they took a bit too long to make the right decision. I took the money and ran. I hope in the future Toyota pays more attention to the details. For you that had cases close last year for the '01 Taco's you might be in for a delightful surprise. Replies to this message: bigbe (Mar 04, 2009 4:55 am) johnny66 (Mar 04, 2009 5:43 pm)
#766 of 927 Re: The other 50% [missunderstood] by bigbe Mar 04, 2009 (4:55 am)
Replying to: missunderstood (Mar 03, 2009 8:38 am) I also had a 2001 toyota tacoma and got $13k I turned around and bought a 2008 toyota fj Hope i get another check
#767 of 927 Re: The other 50% [missunderstood] by johnny66 Mar 04, 2009 (5:43 pm)
Replying to: missunderstood (Mar 03, 2009 8:38 am) Can you tell me when your case started? Where are you located? We had a 2001 looked at in Oct. 2008 and have been given the run around ever since. The dealer and reps said the buyback ended in Dec but we never received any notice or call and we have been in contact with the dealer every week. We are meeting with a Toyota rep in 2 to 4 weeks and have been told over and over there are no more buybacks and the (frame replacement or trade in your vehicle) are the only options and want all the ammo we can get. Thanks
#768 of 927 Re: Frame swap not so bad [jjbillings] by pataco01 Mar 05, 2009 (7:06 pm)
Replying to: jjbillings (Mar 02, 2009 12:00 pm) Well, got my truck back on Thursday 2/26 after the dealership had it for 2 months. Everything seems fine so far except they forgot to top off my power steering pump but I did when I heard it whining. My frame kit consisted of frame, rear leafs, lower control arms, brake lines, E-brake cable, and all the nuts and bolts. While they had it I had them change the clutch, timing belt, water pump, and they cut the flywheel. My final tab was $964. The labor was next to nothing and I priced the parts before I told them what I wanted so they couldn't rip me off. So, so far so good. I'll just have to wait and see how it works out. Replies to this message: mcalautt (Mar 05, 2009 7:26 pm)
#769 of 927 Re: Frame swap not so bad [pataco01] by mcalautt Mar 05, 2009 (7:26 pm)
Replying to: pataco01 (Mar 05, 2009 7:06 pm) keep an eye out for electrical mishaps and intermittent issues.
#770 of 927 Service Bulletin on NHTSA site by JRB2002 Mar 07, 2009 (10:48 am)
While I cannot take credit for finding this info (found it through another forum), there is some interesting information on the NHTSA site regarding Toyota's campaign for 01-04 Tacomas. If you do a search under Service Bulletings at http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/tsbs/ and drill down to 2001 Tacoma Structure: Frame and Members, you should find a PDF to download. The TSB is TCS=08-018. The PDF appears to be a sample of an official communication from Toyota Motor Corp about the rust perforation problem and indicates a possible buy-back of 1.5x Blue Book for 01-04 Tacomas. The PDF is CSC-10027968-5540. This might be some valuable "ammo" for us who are having problems with Toyota and not getting any response or very poor service on our problems.
#771 of 927 Re: Framed [mags6] by divwid Mar 08, 2009 (11:55 am)
Replying to: mags6 (Mar 02, 2009 2:21 pm) Dear Sir--I had a 2000 Tacoma with 96,000 kms. here in S. Ont. just west of London, ON. Last summer it failed inspection. Toyota paid me 19,000--the same amount I had paid 5 years previous. Not worth the insurance issues if I had an accident with a "failed" truck. Sure miss my truck, but glad to be rid of the whole situation. Toyota paid for a car rental for one month while I shopped for a new vehicle. A 2009 Corolla---hmmmm, fancy that. A little salesmanship going on here?? Nevertheless, Toyota paid generously, I feel and I sold off the tires before dropping off truck for the last time. Glad to rid of the whole mess. Still feel that I would buy Toyota, but not the Tacoma until this situation is resolved. Replies to this message: mags6 (Mar 09, 2009 6:09 pm) mags6 (Mar 10, 2009 4:46 am)
#772 of 927 Re: Framed [divwid] by mags6 Mar 09, 2009 (6:09 pm)
Replying to: divwid (Mar 08, 2009 11:55 am) Hi divwid, thanks for the advice. Toyota really needs to address this problem not just now but right at the time of manufacturing. They must know that a large percentage of their trucks/vehicles run in the northern areas where salt is applied to the roads. There is no reason why these frames are made from steel that is so suseptable to rusting or that a proper treatment was not applied at this time. This is not an accident but a deliberate engineering flaw. Very sad. Anyone out there that have had their frames replaced I highly recommend that you treat your new frames with somekind of rust proofing anually. Up here we have RustCheck or Krown Rust Proofing. Very effective and should help your new frames survive in the coming years. Replies to this message: mags6 (Mar 10, 2009 4:46 am)

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