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Toyota Tacoma 2004 and Earlier Frame Problem

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frame game...... by rachelf
Jan 15, 2009 (7:38 pm)
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Replying to: mcalautt (Jan 15, 2009 1:53 pm)

OK, so I've got an 02 with the disease.....did the yada yada w/ Kevin, and my service mgr. called to inform me of the frame replacement (bummer) I was ready to upgrade to the 4 door Taco- my inspection expires end of Jan. they told me to turn the truck in and I will get a loaner.....they dont have the parts, and dont know when they will......
Mr. Service Mgr. metioned that during the "repair" it might be a good time to replace/fix parts that are easily accessible such as fuel/brake lines........ I want to know if any of you know what exactly is included in the frame repair.....a mechanic pal said that Toyota should be responsible for the lines, because they are gonna mess them up during surgery......See where I'm going w/ this ?
What are the parts that are included with the frame ( I'm a mechanical dummy). I want to go in there knowing exactly whats what.......I am hiring an honest mechanic to put the truck up on a lift and show me the whole deal. I dont want to pay for parts that Toyota is responsible for. Anybody got some info on this?
Also I'm scared, 'cause I'm one of the first frame jobs for this dealership- being the test monkey doesnt make me feel the love..........
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Re: Compliants and value [daleyplanit] by doubleusn
Jan 15, 2009 (7:43 pm)
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Replying to: daleyplanit (Jan 13, 2009 10:59 am)

Hi
 
I ended up working something out with the dealer. They gave me a fair trade in value for the truck. A number that reflects market value of what it would be worth if it did not have a hole in the rusty frame. They then let me use that trade value towards a heavily discounted 09 Tacoma. I wanted 1.5 KBB but Toyota Corp (vs dealer) are being unreasonable about this. I don't have the 3+ months I was quoted for a frame replacement and I don't trust it will be done right, we are talking major surgery. I took the trade deal. The problem goes away, I have a new 09 that was 'heavily' discounted on $$$, and the many months of waiting and Toyota Corp BS is no longer my problem. Also FWIW they did give me a rental for no cost for the 3/4 weeks that it took to work this all out. In the end 99% of this is Toyota Corp, and not the dealer (or mine anyhow) I had already bought 2 there, and the General Sales Manger made it happen. Very nice lady.
 
Glad it's all over, I will not miss dealing with Ms. Bishop from the Corp office in CA.
 
Good luck to everybody...
 
Cheers
-wsn
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Re: frame game...... [rachelf] by doubleusn
Jan 15, 2009 (7:47 pm)
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Replying to: rachelf (Jan 15, 2009 7:38 pm)

Hi
 
Before I worked out a deal with my dealer, Toyota Corp (Ms. Bishop) REFUSED to provide me with the list of parts in writing/email/fax.
 
FWIW:
 
Toyota's Legal Dept Address is:
 
Toyota Motor Sales USA
National Customer Relations
19001 Southwestern Ave.
Dept HQ11 Torrance, CA 90509
Attention: 2001-2004 Customer Support Program (Tacoma)
 
Good luck folks...
 
Cheers
-wsn
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Re: frame game...... [rachelf] by bearcatter
Jan 16, 2009 (7:52 am)
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Replying to: rachelf (Jan 15, 2009 7:38 pm)

I agree with rachelf, this frame replacement open heart surgery is going to eventually cause palpitations to our wallets. Toyota will find a way to tack on extra charges for stuff that breaks in the course of the frame replacement. If the frame is rusted, that other stuff is rusted. I expect to have to replace tie rods, exhaust system, etc, as thrashing on that rusted stuff is going to cause failure. I'd just as soon not be responsible for $600-$700 in additional costs arising from this frame replacement. I'm even going to have to replace my oil pan when the engine is out of the truck. I bet I'm personally looking at $1000 out of pocket expenses at frame replacement time. That's why in this economy, a buyback is the best solution for us owners.
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1997 Taco Inspection by matthewota
Jan 16, 2009 (9:31 am)
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I had my 97 Taco inspected yesterday. I have owned it since 2002 and have almost 200,000 miles on it. The inspection showed no rust corrosion on the frame. However, I purchased and drove it in Southern California where the climate is mild.
 
I now live in New England and the dealer told me to bring it back in one year for another inspection.
 
I plan to get the frame undercoated as soon as I can afford it. I would rather drive my Taco until it falls apart than part with it.
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Re: 1997 Taco Inspection [matthewota] by Sambone5769
Jan 16, 2009 (9:47 am)
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Replying to: matthewota (Jan 16, 2009 9:31 am)

Undercoating only does so much. It tends to trap whatever is already on the frame beneath the undercoat and just speed up the rusting process. This is particularly true with road salt. Welcome to New England!
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Re: frame game...... [bearcatter] by mcalautt
Jan 16, 2009 (6:24 pm)
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Replying to: bearcatter (Jan 16, 2009 7:52 am)

the frame replacement is a bad idea has I have mentioned before however I heard that the frame will come with kits containing new bolts and related parts that they expect to be rusty.
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Anyone get a letter yet? by deebone
Jan 17, 2009 (5:56 pm)
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Has anyone with a 2001 - 2004 Taco received a letter yet detailing the new frame replacement program? My case manager told me letters were going out in early January, yet my dealer's service manager (whom I check with at least weekly) still has not heard any details about what the dealers are supposed to be doing or when. I agree with mcalautt, frame replacement is a bad idea, and I've had other ASE mechanics tell me the same thing. My case manager told me that it will be at the dealer's discretion what gets replaced as part of the frame transplant vs. what the Taco owner needs to lay out $$$ for. That will just result in more PO'd Taco owners...
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Re: Anyone get a letter yet? [deebone] by mcalautt
Jan 17, 2009 (7:46 pm)
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Replying to: deebone (Jan 17, 2009 5:56 pm)

Its my opinion that toyota does not care.. they are only concerned about how much they will need to pay out.
I have a 2001 and was lucky to fall into a buy out.
My case manger (Kevin) basically is the middle man between us and corporate.
He made sure he kept saying that they are buying mine back as "good will" as the 2001 - 2004's are all getting a frame replacement. I argued that frame replacements
are NOT the answer and that toyota is going to really damage their customer reputation. HE said " we are not in the business of buying trucks back"
I dont have enough room here to begin to tell you what I said.
Imagine that, they are not in the business to buy trucks.. I said, "consumers are not in business to buy trucks that only last 5 to 6 years.
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Re: bostonchannel5 [screwed4] by daleyplanit
Jan 19, 2009 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: screwed4 (Jan 15, 2009 11:37 am)

Hey! That was me reccomending the contact with BC5. I've tried in vain to get my local, Albany NY paper and TV stations involved. I'm glad you made some headway. If there is anything you need at all I'd be happy to help. I have pictures from others and copies of every letter I've written as well. please keep the board posted and share the video!
 
thanks

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