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#598 of 1369 Re: [pokienoze]
Jan 03, 2009 (2:30 pm)
My girlfriend has been in contact with Toyota for a couple of months and at that time nothing was being done with 2001 and newer. She stopped at the dealer on 01-02-09 and they stated that the subframe would be replaced on her 2001 Tacoma and a rental would be provided. They said materials and more info should be coming later in January. I heard a few people early on got a buyback offer for the 2001s and later but now the only option is the frame replacement. I don't know what kind of warranty it will have. I wish they would buy it back since this problem has dropped the value of these vehicles dramatically.
#599 of 1369 Re: Program Update [devilfan]
Jan 03, 2009 (2:30 pm)
i believe earlier in this thread a toyota rep explained some of it.
but yes, they are doing a frame swap. Not a good idea however, I heard that the frame is not coming bare. It should be coming with suspension components and other new parts as well.. I guess thats better than an entire part to part swap out.
#600 of 1369 In limbo about my 2001 ...
Jan 04, 2009 (3:51 pm)
I've been reading this thread and thought I would share my experience thus far. I just found out the frame on my 01 was shot on Friday (after dumping $1,000 into it to pass state inspection). Now Toyota has my truck in the dealership impound lot.
So far, the dealership has been very kind. They put me in an '08 Highlander with no questions asked and all they ask is that I put the gas in and carry insurance. They told me they would put me in a pickup as soon as a rental became available. So now I've got a case with Toyota and was told I should hear back in about 7 days. SO far so good.
I got to admit I'm a little gun shy about the frame replacement that Toyota seems to want to do. I don't like hearing ASE mechanics saying it's a horrible idea and I have my own reservations, but I seem to be picking up on the fact that there is no other option. I did ask the service manager and he said Toyota was giving the NEW frame a 15 year warranty. I am unsure at this point just what that warranty covers... I mean, I get the impression that it covers the frame only and doesn't take any abnormal wear and tear caused by a frame swap into consideration. The service manager even mentioned how they "come with new nuts and bolts and fasteners to replace all the rusty and corroded ones that will break and snap off in the removal process". That makes me feel a LOT better. (Insert sarcasm here).
I guess I have a hard time believing a couple dudes from small town Maine can pull off the same quality job that an army of robots did on the assembly line in Japan. Maybe I'm being paranoid.
I do have a couple questions I hope y'all might be able to help answer though.
Is the frame swap REALLY a bad idea?
If that's what Toyota is offering to do, is that my only option or should I fight it?
If my frame is swapped out, will I be able to sell it or trade it in in the future for a fair price?
I'm confused and bummed out and a little disillusioned by all that I've read here and hope between all of us that we can get some straight answers and a fair resolution. I love my truck, but I bought it for reliability and dependability and high resale value. If I don't have all of those things, why should I continue to drive them?
#601 of 1369 Re: In limbo about my 2001 ... [Sambone5769]
Jan 04, 2009 (6:35 pm)
the frame swap is a bad idea.. i have a master ase cert.
it will not be the same.. you can almost guarantee new squeaks and rattles along with intermittent electrical problems.. The odds of you getting a tech that has actually
done a job like this are slim to none. Im not saying it cant be done nor am i saying no one is capable, what im saying is, in the environment that they are going to do it in is going to lead to these problems. Techs get paid flat rate so its in thier best interest to get the job done right.. so for example, if toyota decided to pay 60 hours for this job and the tech can get it done in 40 hours he still gets paid the 60.
The frames will come with new fasteners and some suspension parts from what I understand. You can fight back and I would if I were you.. try to get into the buy back program. Who cares if they give a 15 year warranty on the frame if the swap out is going to cause other problems.
#602 of 1369 Re: In limbo about my 2001 ... [Sambone5769]
Jan 05, 2009 (4:57 am)
Hi I just picked up my check from the Toyota rep and she explained the new Frame Deal. Not many people happy with it the only reason the Toyota is doing this is to save money. She explained they only expected to buy back apex 6000 thousand units she alone has completed 6000 transactions this program has gotten allot bigger then Toyota ever expected so if I were you I would fight for the buy back and some where on the blog are the info on how to complain the govt.
#603 of 1369 Re: In limbo about my 2001 ... [bigbe]
Jan 05, 2009 (5:03 am)
what year is your truck ?
your options and mileage ?
what did you get for a check ?
just curious so I have something to come back with as I assume
they may try to low ball me I have a 2001 v6 4x4 auto SR5 136000.00 MI
#604 of 1369 Re: In limbo about my 2001 ... [mcalautt]
Jan 05, 2009 (5:45 am)
Thanks for the info. I want to know what my rights are and suppose my hands are tied until I hear back from Toyota on this.
I too would be interested in finding out how much the person who recieved the check got and what kind of truck they had.
If they do end up replacing my frame, I feel like it would be in my best interest to turn right around and sell the truck ASAP for as much as possible and deal with the losses. If I can assume I'll be plagued with electrical and other issues for the forseeable future, I'd rather just not deal with it.
#605 of 1369 Re: In limbo about my 2001 ... [Sambone5769]
Jan 05, 2009 (6:40 am)
If I were you and was forced to have the frame replacement, id get rid of the truck.
maybe even trade it in..
It is really sad but thats what it seems toyota is more concerned with..thier money.
Im really mad about all of this cause I have been a toyota preacher for years and I loved my truck. My truck ran like new and it had 136K on it.. I had no reason to beleive it would not make it to 300K. I had no payments to make on my truck and I bought it new..
we just bought a new house and I cant afford a car payment ..
Jan 05, 2009 (12:21 pm)
I just turned in my 01 Tacoma (sr5, auto, 96K) on the buyback program. I was told by the rep that I was lucky to get my money because the buy backs were coming to an end. He thought that frame replacement was not a wise idea. Unfortunately, others probably won't have a choice other than legal action. I bought another brand because I have not seen anything from Toyota about how they are addressing this problem with the frames on new trucks.
Jan 06, 2009 (4:58 am)
I asked my rep the same thing and he didnt answer me.
I said, I have not heard anything from toyota about a time frame for when the frames started getting manufactured properly again.
He didnt seem to have an answer.
Let me know when you get a call from ISG and how much they offer you because I have the same truck as you.. 2001 extend cab SR5 v6 auto
Is yours a v6 auto ?