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Sedans Audi RS4 Article Comments 2007 Audi RS4 vs. 2007 BMW M5
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Article comments for Comparison Test: 2007 Audi RS 4 vs. 2007 BMW M5 - The 2007 Audi RS 4 and 2007 BMW M5 are practical four-door sedans, yet they are also dedicated high-performance machines. They are sports cars disguised as everyday transportation. (more)
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Replying to: joemama3 (Apr 05, 2007 1:08 pm) I'm curious. What makes you say "the Evo will spank the S4"? I've never seen them pitted against each other, and the objective data suggests otherwise.
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Replying to: joemama3 (Apr 05, 2007 1:08 pm) And who the hell would cruelly put four people in an RS4? Even if it did happen, it's not as if it's the least-comfortable scenario. Also, are you saying we should compare cars with similar horsepower? Ok, let's compare the Lotus Elise to the Audi TT. Again, these are completely different cars so a comparison is silly. And yes, when you look at pricing the R8 (109K), it's closer to the Turbo (122K) than the C4S (88K) so it should be compared to the Turbo...which spanks the R8 (and also has just a little less rear seat room than the RS4). No. Perhaps the implication is there, but that's not what I meant. You also must remember that every 911 (even the base Turbo) is standard with nothing. When it comes down to it, don't be surprised if the average C4S buyer pays within striking distance of what the average R8 buyer will pay. It can easily overreach $100K. The Turbo is out of this stratosphere. And don't even joke about the legroom. I think you have some great cars, however, you owe it to yourself to try something with a better weight distribution. I didn't ask. I want the new M3 (E92, 420hp V8), but I don't need any "advice," thanks. I hope Audi get's it act together and can get the sales it needs to justify the continuance of the RS cars. BMW-M and AMG cars need some competition and Audi sales figures are not at all encouraging. Maybe the Evo-X and Nissan GTR will help. I don't know where to begin on this one. RS cars aren't leaving any time soon, believe me. The RS4 is just the beginning of an RS renaissance. The RS4 is sold out. If I'm not mistaken, the RS6 was sold out, also. What was that quibble about slow sales? EVO X?! As much as I respect it, it's so mind-bogglingly different! Why did you even bring it up? '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330 |
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Replying to: esf (Apr 05, 2007 6:41 pm) The RS4, while not a huge car, can actually fit 4 people without joint dislocation. I wouldn’t want to be in the back seat cross country, but for business drive of four to a local restaurant, the car is perfectly adequate. And yes, that’s 4 Americans. Try that with any generation M3 and you will have one unhappy crowd. I had both the E36 and the E46 and neither had a really usable back seat. I dont think the E92 will be any better based on the current 335 coupe dimensions. The RS4 is not sold out. It is built on a per order basis only; if you see one in a dealer’s lot it simply means someone didn’t accept an order. Order slots now and 6 months ago were immediately available. Audi dealers promised a 6 week delivery time from order placement which gives you some idea of the order load (read: none). Compare that with 2-3 months estimated delivery for the M5 (a 5 production slot wait). The promised delivery dates are probably both under estimates; but notably, the Audi estimate is shorter lie. ... |
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Replying to: esf (Apr 05, 2007 6:41 pm) And as to being bias. I guess I have to admit that I am bias against FWD cars. FWD cars are cheaper to make and allow more room in the car making them very practical and comfortable. It also makes them understeer and creates engineering nightmares to make them handle. Now from what I have read, Audi has done a sublime job making the 2 ton RS4 incredibly well balanced, but I guess my point is why? Why not make the car correct in the first place? Push the engine towards the center of the car like BMW and Mercedes does. Except for the R8, every Audi starts with a FWD platform. The top levels of Audi have been debating the FWD strategy for years and hopefully they will fix this in the future. And yes, and Evo will spank an S4. Look at the results from any reputable car magazine and compare the results. The Evo will also spank my M3. But again, my point is it is not relevant to compare the Evo to an M3 or S4 as they are totally different cars. My point with the Evo-X and GTR is they are trying to make them more luxurious...which might make them comparable to the offerings from Audi and BMW. Could be a stretch  Enjoy driving with your front tires!
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Replying to: joemama3 (Apr 06, 2007 6:22 am) However, the article was written to introduce us to the only 2 high performance (i.e. 400+hp) German sedans with manual transmissions. The article did note that a more appropriate opponent would be the upcoming M3. Regarding the S4 vs. Evo, I have not been able to find the magazine articles you are reading. Could you give me specific issues? Thanks 
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Replying to: joemama3 (Apr 06, 2007 6:22 am) For quite a few vehicles, this is incorrect. As you can see, I own an A3 2.0T with DSG as my winter car. This is possibly the best-driving FWD car on the planet. It offers blistering performance for a 2.0L engine (0-60 in 6.1 seconds), due to the fabulous DSG gearbox; however, the handling is also quite linear and satisfying. If you've read any review of the A3, you would see that the author would usually be gushing about the car's superior dynamics. Another example of this is the Mini Cooper; there's no need to explain that one. Now from what I have read, Audi has done a sublime job making the 2 ton RS4 incredibly well balanced, but I guess my point is why? Why not make the car correct in the first place? You don't seem to understand that RWD cars are just simply not part of the Audi philosophy. I believe that, at least for the rest of my life, Audi won't produce a single RWD car. They are devoted to quattro; revising it, redesigning it, simply improving it. It is one of the best AWD systems on the planet, and it is what sets Audi apart. FWD bases or not, they are AWD cars, and very good ones, at that. It is also, as you implied, a laborious task to tame the RS4's nose-heavy design. Akin to the rear-engine 911, this gives Audi's engineers massive experience, and it is a great achievement to make an AWD car with the engine all the way over the front axle handle like a RWD car; obviously, it is no achievement to make a RWD car handle like a RWD car. Just to clarify, Audi did consider equipping its lineup with RWD. However, the top brass felt that it would alienate most of Audi's core buyers (in Europe especially), and it would be a costly, unprofitable project. I hold Audi in the highest esteem for what they have achieved over a meager twelve years, starting with the 1996 B5 A4. Sustainable car companies such as this can stumble, as they did, but with vigor, they pulled themselves back up. And they are better than ever. Go Audi! '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330
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Replying to: esf (Apr 06, 2007 8:57 pm) Regards the M5 vs RS4, the RS4 was just a better overall package. Sure the new M5 is faster (but only slightly), but it can't match the feel of the RS4. The Audi is a much better drive, more communicative, great sounding engine, great brakes, more neutral and secure handling and a fit and finish that is way better than the BMW's. Regards the RS4 vs BMW 335. The 335 has a great engine, smooth and powerfull, but the handling with the sport package is vague. Floats and rolls too much. I was really not impressed, having owned BMW's before I was very dissapointed. I can take corners .10mph faster in the RS4 than the 335i. If you want the all around package that is truly a drivers saloon.. get the RS4.. you will not be dissapointed ! |
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Replying to: wolfsport (Apr 05, 2007 4:29 pm)
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Replying to: atlm5 (Jan 21, 2008 6:16 pm) Again, cite your source(s). As I said, I understand that the objective data marginally favors the Audi. Where are the actual comparisons/races documented?
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Replying to: wolfsport (Jan 21, 2008 7:04 pm) Actually the B6 RS4 wasn't quite as competitive as the Evo, but the B7 was at least as good! Here is an RS4 Avant tearing up an Evo 8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LU5aTCHxnw&feature=related Here is a modified Evo against an RS4 on stock rubber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVARQfX9h0c |
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