Article Comments 2007 Audi RS4 vs. 2007 BMW M5

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Article comments for Comparison Test: 2007 Audi RS 4 vs. 2007 BMW M5 - The 2007 Audi RS 4 and 2007 BMW M5 are practical four-door sedans, yet they are also dedicated high-performance machines. They are sports cars disguised as everyday transportation. (more)

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#26 of 35 Re: Nonsense [joemama3] by wolfsport Apr 06, 2007 (6:42 am)
Replying to: joemama3 (Apr 06, 2007 5:22 am) I understand your points. However, the article was written to introduce us to the only 2 high performance (i.e. 400+hp) German sedans with manual transmissions. The article did note that a more appropriate opponent would be the upcoming M3. Regarding the S4 vs. Evo, I have not been able to find the magazine articles you are reading. Could you give me specific issues? Thanks
#27 of 35 Re: Nonsense [joemama3] by esf Apr 06, 2007 (7:57 pm)
Replying to: joemama3 (Apr 06, 2007 5:22 am) It also makes them understeer and creates engineering nightmares to make them handle. For quite a few vehicles, this is incorrect. As you can see, I own an A3 2.0T with DSG as my winter car. This is possibly the best-driving FWD car on the planet. It offers blistering performance for a 2.0L engine (0-60 in 6.1 seconds), due to the fabulous DSG gearbox; however, the handling is also quite linear and satisfying. If you've read any review of the A3, you would see that the author would usually be gushing about the car's superior dynamics. Another example of this is the Mini Cooper; there's no need to explain that one. Now from what I have read, Audi has done a sublime job making the 2 ton RS4 incredibly well balanced, but I guess my point is why? Why not make the car correct in the first place? You don't seem to understand that RWD cars are just simply not part of the Audi philosophy. I believe that, at least for the rest of my life, Audi won't produce a single RWD car. They are devoted to quattro; revising it, redesigning it, simply improving it. It is one of the best AWD systems on the planet, and it is what sets Audi apart. FWD bases or not, they are AWD cars, and very good ones, at that. It is also, as you implied, a laborious task to tame the RS4's nose-heavy design. Akin to the rear-engine 911, this gives Audi's engineers massive experience, and it is a great achievement to make an AWD car with the engine all the way over the front axle handle like a RWD car; obviously, it is no achievement to make a RWD car handle like a RWD car. Just to clarify, Audi did consider equipping its lineup with RWD. However, the top brass felt that it would alienate most of Audi's core buyers (in Europe especially), and it would be a costly, unprofitable project. I hold Audi in the highest esteem for what they have achieved over a meager twelve years, starting with the 1996 B5 A4. Sustainable car companies such as this can stumble, as they did, but with vigor, they pulled themselves back up. And they are better than ever. Go Audi! '06 Audi A3 2.0T DSG • '05 Audi S4 Cabriolet • '04 Lexus RX330 Replies to this message: rs4rx7 (Aug 25, 2007 9:26 am)
#28 of 35 Re: Nonsense [esf] by rs4rx7 Aug 25, 2007 (9:26 am)
Replying to: esf (Apr 06, 2007 7:57 pm) I bought a 2007 RS4 several months ago after a long time trying many different sport salons. I tried the old and new M5, M3, Z4M Coupe, S6, E55AMG and some others not even worth mentioning. Regards the M5 vs RS4, the RS4 was just a better overall package. Sure the new M5 is faster (but only slightly), but it can't match the feel of the RS4. The Audi is a much better drive, more communicative, great sounding engine, great brakes, more neutral and secure handling and a fit and finish that is way better than the BMW's. Regards the RS4 vs BMW 335. The 335 has a great engine, smooth and powerfull, but the handling with the sport package is vague. Floats and rolls too much. I was really not impressed, having owned BMW's before I was very dissapointed. I can take corners .10mph faster in the RS4 than the 335i. If you want the all around package that is truly a drivers saloon.. get the RS4.. you will not be dissapointed !
#29 of 35 Re: Nonsense [wolfsport] by atlm5 Jan 21, 2008 (5:16 pm)
Replying to: wolfsport (Apr 05, 2007 3:29 pm) Just look at the stats...the evo is very close to the rs4...it will cursh an s4...0-60 times compareable to the rs4...awd...etc...BTW...M5 rulz Replies to this message: wolfsport (Jan 21, 2008 6:04 pm) wolfsport (Jan 21, 2008 6:41 pm) usadriver (Mar 08, 2009 8:52 am) and 3 more...
#30 of 35 Re: Nonsense [atlm5] by wolfsport Jan 21, 2008 (6:04 pm)
Replying to: atlm5 (Jan 21, 2008 5:16 pm) >>"Just look at the stats...the evo is very close to the rs4...it will cursh an s4...0-60 times compareable to the rs4...awd...etc...BTW...M5 rulz" Again, cite your source(s). As I said, I understand that the objective data marginally favors the Audi. Where are the actual comparisons/races documented? Replies to this message: wolfsport (Jan 21, 2008 6:41 pm) usadriver (Mar 08, 2009 8:52 am) tegtee (Sep 22, 2009 1:31 pm)
#31 of 35 Re: Nonsense [wolfsport] by wolfsport Jan 21, 2008 (6:41 pm)
Replying to: wolfsport (Jan 21, 2008 6:04 pm) Here, I'll do it for you: Actually the B6 RS4 wasn't quite as competitive as the Evo, but the B7 was at least as good! Here is an RS4 Avant tearing up an Evo 8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LU5aTCHxnw&feature=related Here is a modified Evo against an RS4 on stock rubber: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVARQfX9h0c Replies to this message: usadriver (Mar 08, 2009 8:52 am) hjstrain (Apr 05, 2009 10:36 am) tegtee (Sep 22, 2009 1:31 pm)
#32 of 35 Re: Nonsense [wolfsport] by usadriver Mar 08, 2009 (8:52 am)
Replying to: wolfsport (Jan 21, 2008 6:41 pm) I live in the Chicago area and I have owned an 2007 RS4 for over two years and street race when I get the opportunity. I have raced against souped up EVOs, GTOs, Challengers, Honda whatevers, standard corvettes and NONE of them keep up with my RS4 in 0-60 mode. As for the few Lambos, ferraris, and one ZR1 I have run across, they don't seem to want to test out their cars with my RS4. My RS4 was slighty modified this winter and my HP is now around 450. I can't wait to switch out my snow tires and put on my summer street tires to see what it can do now. This car is the most fun I have had in a car ever. Yes I can fit 4 people in it comfortably and since it is a "business" lease, it is a plus. But the most fun is driving the RS4 long distance on the interstate and getting through traffic without interference. I have driven both my RS4 and my Range Rover to Las Vegas and both are comfortable and handled great but the RS4 is much more fun in LV and draws a crowd and I did not see one there at all. I had one major problem (Catalytic Converter flashed) and Schaumburg Audi the engineers at Audi saw to it that I was inconvenienced to a minimum. A new CC was sent 1st class from Germany and in a total of three days I was once again driving my car. I have on order a R8 and it should be in during the month of June. If it handles better and accelerates better then the RS4 I am in for a treat. (I tried to post a pic of my Pearl Black RS4 but it didn't work, sorry) Replies to this message: hjstrain (Apr 05, 2009 10:36 am) tegtee (Sep 22, 2009 1:31 pm)
#34 of 35 Re: Nonsense [hjstrain] by hjstrain Apr 05, 2009 (10:36 am)
Hi I just purchased a new 2008 RS4 Cab. I pick it up next week. I have only driven it once as a tame test drive with the top down. What can you tell me to look forward to? It is the Phantom Black Metallic and is gorgeous. I had a 2003 RS6 and it feels quite different. However, my RS6 had a sunroof and automatic transmission. I am looking forward to seeing the stars on warm summer nights.
#35 of 35 Re: Nonsense [usadriver] by tegtee Sep 22, 2009 (1:31 pm)
Replying to: usadriver (Mar 08, 2009 8:52 am) I live in Botswana, Africa, and I've had my RS4 2008 for a year this last July. You mentioned you have a 450HP Mod done on your whip. Please give more specifics on the Mod as I would like to hook mine up next year. I drive a silver RS, nice with tinted windows and the Ford ST (silver tinted 4 door). always tint all my cars, just adds to the look n feel (why do u figure all car adverts carry tinted demo car...? ). Previously had X5is and 540i and A42.8i v6 in last four years, but I will must say the RS4 is an absolute fun car man!! I would buy it again any time!! So about the Mod on the RS...wus'up!