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Re: There are no spare tires. [gregg_vw] by sbonhartwell
Dec 12, 2007 (11:43 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Dec 12, 2007 10:35 am)

I guess that with no spare, no jack, etc. that will kill the deal for lots of folks. Maybe I will decide to wait for the toyota IQ or the VW POLO Diesel.
 
Thanks for your response.
 
Sam
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Re: Good Potential [gregg_vw] by plekto
Dec 12, 2007 (3:39 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Nov 30, 2007 6:14 pm)

As must as I love the Smart and probably will get one, the idea of a 3 person version of a similar car is the only real factor that's holding things up.
 
- The Toyota and VW microcars will fit three people(trust me, we're talking Porsche 911 lack of space behind the driver!), but that's all you need.
 
- If Smart had a flatter rear floor(perfectly flat) and a bit of work, it might be possible for them to fit a third person in the rear sideways behind the passenger(6 inch thinner dash and everything moved up 6-8 inches for the passenger might be enough space)
 
All it really needs is 6 more inches behind the front seats and a bit of redesigning. If they can fit a jumpseat in an extended cab pickup truck, they certainly can in this with only a few inches more space.
 
The same I guess holds true for a lot of cars. The Porsche Cayman, for instance, would be astounding if they put a single small seat in the center or the rear area. The 350Z also came to mind. In fact, it was such a glaring problems that it forced Infiniti to make a 4 door version.
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Re: There are no spare tires. [gregg_vw] by bumpy
Dec 12, 2007 (6:55 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Dec 12, 2007 10:35 am)

I think this is the most current dealer listing.
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Re: Good Potential [plekto] by bumpy
Dec 12, 2007 (7:01 pm)
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Replying to: plekto (Dec 12, 2007 3:39 pm)

The sideways seating thing would never get past the feds. The original Tiburon concept had exactly that, and it got axed into the usual 2+2 for production. Mazda did do a forward-facing 1+2 setup on the Kabura concept, where the front passenger seat was set forward and another seat placed behind it.
 
As for the 350Z, the G35 was always intended as a separate model (it was the Skyline in Japan) which ended up sharing the FM platform due to Nissan's need for drastic cost-cutting at the end of the '90s when they were designed.
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First saw the Smart in 2000 in Europe by lewtherin
Dec 13, 2007 (12:25 pm)
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My wife and I saw the smart in Greece in 2000 and tried to buy one then, but the dealers would not ship to US for obvious reasons. The smart will not be for everyone and it can be picked to death for many reasons. The bottom line is this, there will be a market for what it is, cheap transportation and easy parking for 2 people who want it to do short excursions and not meant to be a vacation car. It was not desigined for more people or it would have more seats. If you want to haul more people, then get another type of car. All cars and vechiles have their own market, even the ridiculous Hummer, now this car has absolutly no reasonable function at all, except to appeal to gays who want to pump up their image.
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Humm... by plekto
Dec 13, 2007 (1:09 pm)
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Here's a question:
Given the fact that the seats for most reasonable use/position are 6-8 inches forward of their maximum rear limit/position, how hard would it be to fit in a small racing type bucket seat for a 3rd passenger/child? If the seats were an inch or two narrower and an inch or so farther apart, you could put your feet between them I bet.
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Re: First saw the Smart in 2000 in Europe [lewtherin] by sbonhartwell
Dec 13, 2007 (1:57 pm)
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Replying to: lewtherin (Dec 13, 2007 12:25 pm)

Now, that is some kind of answer. I am sure it will be of great help to folks.
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Re: Good Potential [gregg_vw] by pzevowner
Dec 30, 2007 (1:24 pm)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Nov 30, 2007 6:14 pm)

Agree that minor inconveniences can go unnoticed when weighed against benefits and this tiny car has many. I drove a Honda 600 for several years (not the coupe), it was very responsive and cornered beautifully, it hugged the road, it could fit in the tiniest of parking places. I've dreamed of having another very small car, but this time a safe, environmentally sound one, for years. While this vehicle might not have it all, it is close. If it had an efficient hybrid engine (pzev or better) I would put up with the slight losses in acceleration and oddities of shift mechanism in a hot second. Do not plan to own a conventional engine vehicle ever again.
[I am 5'10"-folks used to stare in amazement when I folded up to get into or out of my tiny Honda... That was the best car of my life.]
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Insurance Cost May Wipe Out Savings On Gas by subienewbie2
Jan 06, 2008 (7:27 pm)
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I called my insurer to see how much money I'll save when my Yellow Passion arrives.
 
I almost fell off my chair when they said the Smart would cost me $320 more every 6 months than my $36,000 06 Subaru Tribeca.
 
If that quote proves accurate there is no savings in the cost of operating a Smart and may actually make the Smart much more expensive. I asked what a Honda Fit would be, Fit is just $16 more for 6 months.
 
This quote was from Progressive. Has anyone else received any insurance quotes?
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Re: Spare tire--maybe a deal breaker [sbonhartwell] by subienewbie2
Jan 06, 2008 (7:37 pm)
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Replying to: sbonhartwell (Dec 11, 2007 2:17 pm)

If I get one I'll put run flat tires on it.
 
It does have a jack.

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