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Re: small [kneisl1] by stout7735
Jun 25, 2009 (3:56 am)
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Replying to: kneisl1 (Jun 25, 2009 3:44 am)

Don't worry...The Smart will be a full sized car in 2016....
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Re: "People buy small cars even though they can be deadly" [priggly] by gregg_vw
Jun 25, 2009 (8:46 am)
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Replying to: priggly (Jun 24, 2009 10:29 pm)

Thanks again for your continued input. I am certainly enlightened by it all. But as you can see, there are other points of view and many ways to measure things. Yours is but one.
 
One wouldn't necessarily think of the smart as safer by most any measure than the Ford Ranger, but apparently it is. Thus general groups of vehicles show trends, but there is greater variety in safety when comparing individual models. Now, has anyone heard about a spate of deaths or dismemberments due to driving a smart? Some real world information would be helpful.
 
Small cars will eventually be here in quantity. Oil will go back into triple digits sooner than we think (any up hiccup in the market appears to drive up price--as it is now a better investment than the dollar and stocks--and any economic upturn that is real will drive the price up further) and car makers have plans for many more small models. It is true by almost any measure that new small cars are safer than older large cars. But it takes a long time for the fleet to change over. Meanwhile, safety tech will continue to develop. I don't think anyone would have thought 20 years ago that it was possible to make a car as tiny as the smart as safe as it is.
 
Most small cars do not have stability control, brake assist, six airbags, etc. whereas these things have become common on larger vehicles. All of those things will soon be standard equipment on all cars.
 
It is strange how safety concerned some of us have become (myself included). I remember as a kid riding in the back of a 60s station wagon...no car seat, no seat!, no seat belt on, no shoulder harness, no airbags. Today my parents would be investigated by child protection services. And those things, big as they were, crumbled up and burst apart easily on impact. Somehow most of us survived. Part of that is due to the fact that on a driven miles basis, a truly horrific crash is extremely rare.
 
A little off topic here, sorry. I was one of the first to order a smart. I cancelled the order and bought something else. Now, looking at what is coming for fuel prices, I have some regret. I drive 140 miles in the beginning of the week, stay a few days for work, and then return 140 miles a few days later (with city driving each day while I am there). I have been doing this for years, and I have hardly ever encountered any traffic problems, let alone seen any awful accidents (have seen a number of minor misshaps). Not that it couldn't happen. But I end up driving my oldest vehicle, a diesel, because I can always get smart level (42+ mpg) out of it. My newer car (average 28 mpg) sits much of the time. The smart would have gotten much more use.
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Re: small [kneisl1] by priggly
Jun 25, 2009 (9:03 pm)
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Replying to: kneisl1 (Jun 25, 2009 3:44 am)

That's a load of crap. There is no shortage of natural resources except in the minds of AlGoreites. Are you one of these?
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Stick to the smart please by pf_flyer HOST
Jun 26, 2009 (2:41 am)
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Let's not veer off into other stuff. Thanks
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prig by kneisl1
Jun 26, 2009 (7:50 am)
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Maybe not but gas sure gets EXPENSIVE!
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Re: small [priggly] by gregg_vw
Jun 26, 2009 (6:48 pm)
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Replying to: priggly (Jun 25, 2009 9:03 pm)

Priggly, I have no idea, other than what I read, what quantity of oil is left. But that is beside the point, as perception is much more influencial than reality. The fact that oil has bounced up over $70, when there is no shortage of supply at the moment and demand is down for the foreseeable future, is proof enough of that.
 
And what is a load of crap? That I rode in a station wagon without a car seat as a kid? As for natural resources, there is a finite supply regardless of how much remains. You and I may think we do not have to worry about it--unless we care about the generations coming after us who may not have the same opportunities to lift energy easily from the earth--but everything does eventually run out, including the sun. Planning ahead for tighter supplies is not insane. But more to the point, when people fear something is growing more scarce, no amount of reassurance is going to convince them otherwise.
 
Finally, be nice. This isn't war here.
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High perf. engine in SmartCar?? by johnxyz
Jul 02, 2009 (8:12 am)
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Replying to: stout7735 (Jun 22, 2009 12:34 pm)

"However, your Yaris does not have a high performance engine..."
 
I like the high-tech fabrication of the SmartCar (vs. Yaris) but was disappointed to learn that the US market has a very standard, if not old tech Mitsubishi engine in place of the Mercedes-sourced engine that was apparently in Gen I and/or current Euro-spec version/model? Is the diesel engine in the Canadian-market Smart a Mercedes?
 
Now if they put in a truly high perf., latest tech direct injection engine (and not necessarily from Japan) that would be worth talking about..
 
Who supplies what has been considered a rough/crude transmission, too?
 
I still think its a cool car - its just the IIHS or however did the testing whereby the Smart/Fit/Yaris got bounced like a ping-pong ball makes you take pause. Even though all of the above I still like the Smart Car better than the Fit and Yaris.
 
Any discounting off MSRP lately ( we are approaching 10% unemployment, if not already there now....)?
 
Thanks
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Re: High perf. engine in SmartCar?? [johnxyz] by stout7735
Jul 02, 2009 (9:40 am)
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Replying to: johnxyz (Jul 02, 2009 8:12 am)

70 HP from 61 non-turbo cubic inches qualifies as a high performance engine...
Transmission by Getrag, like in the Ferrari...
Even Kelly Blue book lists it in their top 10 coolest cars under $18,000 (the Yaris didn't make the list)...
Like the Rolls Royce,there is no discount off MSRP of the Smart yet...
 
 
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Re: High perf. engine in SmartCar?? [stout7735] by johnxyz
Jul 02, 2009 (6:03 pm)
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Replying to: stout7735 (Jul 02, 2009 9:40 am)

Thanks stout7735 Follow-up question - someone posted that the (Getrag) tranny was designed to be abrupt between shifts -similar to a race car - precise like. I've read 10,000 complaints on the 'jerky' transmission but that was the 1st comment that might actually have explained it as an intentional design performance characteristic - can you shed any light on this transmission (non) issue?
 
So the Mitsu engine is fine - good to go?
 
Thanks again
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Re: Road Tour is starting! [lostchild] by missadams1
Jul 14, 2009 (6:41 am)
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Replying to: lostchild (May 17, 2007 9:57 am)

I am of the opinion that a Smart is the perfect car if you live in a big city. If I would have one I would use it for daily business. With this car it is definitely a lot easier to find a parking spot and additionally you have enough space in order to stow the purchase.

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