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Re: SMART [graphicguy] by driver100
Jun 10, 2009 (6:52 am)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Jun 10, 2009 6:16 am)

Little slow in here.
 was NOT a car that I think I'd feel safe driving.....especially on the interstate.
 
It is a little slow in here but about the Smart car. Looks like oil/gas are on the way up again, and when that happens Smart Cars start looking better. They are made with cage construction and crumple zones, but I don't think that will help much if you collide with a transport truck or SUV.
 
I think their real value is as a 2nd or 3rd car for small runs around town.......but then how much are you going to save?
 
I wonder if the $4000 if you trade in your clunker will spur sales. I have a feeling that if you have an ancient clunker it won't put a new car within reach of buying
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Re: SMART [graphicguy] by verdugo
Jun 10, 2009 (7:32 am)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Jun 10, 2009 6:16 am)

I was on the interstate last night. Saw a SMART CONVERTIBLE
 
This was about a year ago before they started selling them.
 
On HWY 80 between Sacramento and San Francisco, we saw a big 18 wheelers advertising SMART cars. We passed it, and in front of it were 5 or 6 SMART cards doing over 60mph. My wife and I agreed that it's not a car we'd feel safe driving on a highway.
 
OT I wonder if that "road show" was responsible for any SMART sales
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Re: SMART [driver100] by tidester HOST
Jun 10, 2009 (10:24 am)
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Replying to: driver100 (Jun 10, 2009 6:52 am)

They are made with cage construction and crumple zones ...
 
Unfortunately, the passengers seem to be a part of the crumple zone.
 
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Re: SMART [tidester] by driver100
Jun 10, 2009 (1:15 pm)
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Replying to: tidester (Jun 10, 2009 10:24 am)

Unfortunately, the passengers seem to be a part of the crumple zone.
No, actually, the passengers become the airbags
 
Really though, it seems the Smart Car does reasonably well in crash tests, better than you would expect;
 
This test shows a Smart Car going into a brick wall at 70 mph.
Smart Car
 
The Insurance Institute also found it did not too badly, though they do say a larger car will probably give you more protection;
Smart Car Crash
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Re: SMART [driver100] by houdini1
Jun 10, 2009 (2:00 pm)
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Replying to: driver100 (Jun 10, 2009 1:15 pm)

This test shows a Smart Car going into a brick wall at 70 mph.
 
Maybe it was just the angle it was filmed at but that wall sure looked like it was slanted quite a bit. Still impressive.
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Re: SMART [houdini1] by verdugo
Jun 10, 2009 (3:09 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Jun 10, 2009 2:00 pm)

I noticed the same thing. I would've liked to see it hit a wall at a 90 angle. But then I thought that if it hits another car, it would be very unlikely that it hits it right in the center. So most likely crash would be similar to hitting the barrier at a bit of an angle.
 
Impressive, but I still wouldn't like to be in it.
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Re: SMART [verdugo] by driver100
Jun 11, 2009 (4:44 am)
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Replying to: verdugo (Jun 10, 2009 3:09 pm)

I would've liked to see it hit a wall at a 90 angle
 
I don't think too many passengers would survive, it any car hit the wall dead on at 70mph.
 
Very few accidents are right on. When you see how much destruction there is in that clip, just imagine two cars coming together - both going 70 mph. That would be like hitting the wall at 140!
 
Impressive, but I still wouldn't like to be in it.
 
See all those parts in the passenger compartment that break and come loose. Imagine bones and muscles being torn apart. That little Smart car might be safer than a lot of bigger cars, especially ones from a few years ago without airbags and crumple zones.
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Re: SMART [driver100] by imidazol97
Jun 11, 2009 (5:27 am)
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Replying to: driver100 (Jun 11, 2009 4:44 am)

>just imagine two cars coming together - both going 70 mph
 
That would be equivalent to one car hitting a stationary item at 70 mph. If cars are different in mass and the other car is a larger mass the Smart car would end up being accelerated more and might even bounce backwards, giving a much larger change in velocity to its poor occupants.
 
A problem with comparing a fixed block at 45 degrees collision with one against another car is that the parts of the cars aren't going to mesh solidly against each other, so there's going to be more intrusion in places and less slowing. Hitting the solid concrete probably uses the design of the Smart car to its maximum to absorb the forces without extreme disintegration and intrusion occuring. A real life incident is more likely to give worse-looking results. Remember that the occupants only had the time it took for the car's left front to collapse approximately 30 inch to decelerate to zero forward velocity and the approximately 25 mph sideways velocity. You can calculate an average acceleration rate using the 70 mph initial speed. That means higher deceleration rates than in a larger vehicle with a longer crush zone and longer crush time; that's better on occupants generally.
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Re: SMART [imidazol97] by driver100
Jun 11, 2009 (6:10 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Jun 11, 2009 5:27 am)

If cars are different in mass and the other car is a larger mass the Smart car would end up being accelerated more
 
Wow, I forgot I am dealing with Physics experts here. Although the Smart does well in crash tests, I guess what you are saying is, in the long run, it isn't going to matter much to the occupants any way.
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Re: US-spec models arrive [bumpy] by vgoff
Jun 11, 2009 (11:59 am)
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Replying to: bumpy (Oct 19, 2007 3:49 pm)

Here is my question and concern is. I don't think we have improved on the economical car as much as we think, I bought a 1993 ford escort and it gets 30 mpg, a 1997 dodge caravan that also gets 30 mpg. so in the last approximate 10 years our mpg has only increased by 6 mpg. sounds like the auto industry is still holding out on us. I heard of a person that implimented a hydrogen devise ( simple devise) into there own car and gets about 50 mpg, draw back I heard was every evening they have to empty the reservoir.

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