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Re: Why SmartCar over Toyota Corolla? [swtnlovabl] by jack137
Mar 18, 2009 (10:49 am)
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Replying to: swtnlovabl (Sep 02, 2008 7:18 pm)

Hi, Dean;
 
How did you manage to get a Euro Smart, register it, insure it and get it serviced in the USA? I've had no luck at all trying to get the Euro Smart TDI, even though it's sold in Canada!, never mind obtaining the car you got.
 
I'm puzzled at the Mitsu-equipped Smart's lousy mileage. The Metro got 45-50 mpg with the same engine more than 15 years ago! I pretty much lost interest in the Smart when they put the Mitsubishi in the US version and announced that low 40 mpg. Also, they STILL don't import the 800cc Diesel to America!? WHY NOT?
 
I've always wondered why German car companies have such bad marketing techniques. Asking so many willing American customers to wait 10 years just to get what was once a decent car (but no longer is) is truly insane. The first tiny Toyota turbo-diesel that comes to these shores gets my money.
 
Your reply would be appreciated.
 
Herb
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Re: 40MPG [snakeweasel] by jack137
Mar 18, 2009 (11:03 am)
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Mar 03, 2007 9:12 pm)

You may have a point there about Renault mileage. I owned a 1970 R-16 five-door hatchback that weighed in at less than 2,200 lbs. It averaged 28-33 mpg until after I installed a toilet-paper oil filter; then it jumped to 34-39 mpg. I believe this type of filter is still being sold.
 
By the way, When I traded this car for an R-5 in 1976, the fellow who bought my R-16 (with 137,00 on the clock) as spare parts for HIS 1970 R-16 got back to me and said that the engine was so good, that he'd made his car the spare-parts donor instead. Apparently, toilet paper oil-filters do an engine a lot of long-term good in addition to greatly improving gas mileage.
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Re: Road Tour is starting! [templeton3] by jack137
Mar 18, 2009 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: templeton3 (May 21, 2007 11:40 am)

Do you own a motorcycle?
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Re: We have one.. [dunepearl] by jack137
Mar 18, 2009 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: dunepearl (Mar 01, 2009 5:09 am)

Good idea to check the Smart for sensitivity to crosswinds before you buy. If you live in the Tampa Bay area, just drive north on I-75 from Fletcher. When you pass Bruce B. Downs, there's a stretch of flat land right about where there is a set of large glass office buildings. Every time I drive my full-size Chevy van past those buildings, there's a "whuff" of wind from the west that literally can put you a half-lane to the right unless you're expecting it. Microclimate? That van even has a really hefty rear sway bar on it. So, to anyone in this area who needs a stretch of side-wind test road to check a Smart, I nominate I-75 northbound a few miles north of Bruce B. Downs.
 
Herb
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Re: We have one.. [jack137] by dunepearl
Mar 18, 2009 (11:38 am)
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Replying to: jack137 (Mar 18, 2009 11:16 am)

If you do take this wind test, take a Xanax before you do. LOL
 
All it took was a couple of trips on I95 to get me to sell my Smart (made a couple of bucks) and get a pre-owned Jetta TDI 2006 with all the bells and whistles for what I paid for the Smart. I have four doors, huge trunk, all the power options you can think of, and get a solid 38 mpg around town and 44 to 45 on the road. Best move I ever made.
 
 
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Re: We have one.. [dennismau] by jack137
Mar 18, 2009 (11:47 am)
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Replying to: dennismau (Mar 01, 2009 7:28 am)

Over the years, I have heard all the B.S. about how "unsafe" small cars are. I say it's BS because I have always driven small cars for their positive qualities like good handling, good mileage, low purchase price and overall practicality.
 
For example, on Pearl Harbor Day in 1971, I got rear-ended in my Renault 16 by a drunk driving a huge Buick. His car ended up being 3 feet shorter, mine got pushed in just 16" and was cheaply repaired. The drunk hit the steering wheel so hard, he bent it over at a 90-degree angle and lost all his front teeth. I ended up having a sore neck for a week. The seat and head-restraint did their jobs.
 
So, just keep buying all those over-priced pick-up trucks gussied up with cushy interiors and way too powerful engines for the suspensions to handle (I think it's unfair that Firetone tire had to pay a heavy price for poor SUV suspension design). Finally, insurance statistics reveal a very different picture than Marketing copy about SUV "safety" does: Rollover accidents with SUV's are far more common than with other vehicle types, and it's rollovers that produce the most fatalities. It that surprising? Think how high up an SUV's center of gravity is! Give me a small car with a low center of gravity any time, thank you!
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Re: We have one.. [dunepearl] by jack137
Mar 18, 2009 (12:04 pm)
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Replying to: dunepearl (Mar 18, 2009 11:38 am)

While I whole-heartedly agree with your choice of the Jetta TDI over the Smart, you paid a hefty mark-up for the VW diesel Jetta. My wife and I always rented Golf TDI's while traveling in Europe. These weigh 200 lbs. less than Jettas and get 43 mpg on the Autobahn while running all day at 160kph. The hatchback is perfect for four suitcases and many bulky gifts and is far easier to get into basement hotel garages (very narrow, twisty ramps) than the Jetta. Naturally, no Golf TDI's are being exported to the USA! Same problem with the Smart TDI. Strange, considering that over 50% of all new-car purchases in Europe are Trubo-Diesels.
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"Safety Concern" according to NHTSA by priggly
Apr 28, 2009 (5:58 pm)
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"By analyzing crash test results published by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety and National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, as well as what hundreds of auto critics have written about today's most popular cars, we created a short list of dangerous vehicles that you should think twice about before buying for your young driver. And, in the interest of compromise, we provide a safer alternative that both of you can live with.
 
Smart Fortwo
 
Sure it's cute, cool, and economical, but the Smart Fortwo isn't safe for everyone -- let alone inexperienced drivers. Because it's much smaller and lighter than most vehicles on the road, auto critics doubt it can hold its own in a serious crash. Many also note that strong gusts of wind can make controlling the Smart on the highway a difficult task. And while the IIHS rates it well in both frontal offset and side impact crash tests, NHTSA has issued a "safety concern" for its poor performance in side impact testing, in which "the driver door unlatched and opened." What's more, the Fortwo's debut was mangled last year when Smart issued a recall after an adhesive problem caused some drivers' windshields to fall out.
 
A Safer Alternative: For a ride that's just as quirky-looking, but performs better in crash tests and features loads of standard safety equipment, consider the MINI Cooper. It's a bit more expensive, but is probably a safer bet for a new driver."
 
http://clubsmartcar.com/index.php?showtopic=17626
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Re: "Safety Concern" according to NHTSA [priggly] by stout7735
Apr 28, 2009 (9:42 pm)
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Replying to: priggly (Apr 28, 2009 5:58 pm)

The Smart is much safer than a motorcycle and much cheaper than a Mini...In fact,Smart is a stylish Mercedes on a beer budget...Personally, I enjoyed watching the drama in the recent test when it went airborne,spun around , and bounced like a ping pong ball...I feel secure in my Smart with its built in crash cage and extremely low rate of vehicle insurance claims for collisions..We drive it safely and other drivers' maternal instincts not to hurt our baby car leads to fewer wrecks...Mini drivers have a dangerous tendency for more "sporty" driving..
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Re: "Safety Concern" according to NHTSA [priggly] by dstrom
Apr 29, 2009 (5:01 am)
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Replying to: priggly (Apr 28, 2009 5:58 pm)

I respectfully disagree. I believe the smart IS one of the safest cars for everyone. Not only does it have all the Passive Safety features (help protect the occupants in the event of an accident) including air bags, seatbelt pretensioners and force limiters, the Tridion safety cell, etc, It also has a full compliment of Active Safety features (help prevent/avoid an accident) including ABS, Electronic Stability Control, Traction Control, etc. It is significant to note that many of these important safety features, standard equipment on the smart, are either optional or not available on most other small cars.
 
And, while the "Safety Ratings" are excellent, the "real world" is the most important. I suggest that everyone check out the "Safe And Smart" website (http://www.safeandsmart.com) and read about the actual experiences from owners.

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