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#346 of 491 Re: Where can I buy a Smart Car? [priggly] by gregg_vw Oct 10, 2008 (5:09 am)
Replying to: priggly (Oct 09, 2008 8:26 pm) I have seen quite clearly that it is beyond you. You are blind to why people buy the car, and why the Aveo would likely not be cross-shopped with a smart. For many reasons, I prefer the smart to a motorcycle or scooter as transport. Its appeal (or novelty factor as you put it) is only part of the equation. It is small which is very appealing (park anywhere, no need to be carrying a back seat that is never used), gets good mileage, and has equipment usually only seen on expensive cars and not available at all on the Aveo. The Aveo blends in, the smart stands out. It is another choice, one which some people gravitate toward. It is polarizing. A smart buyer would likely not be intereste in an Aveo. To try to argue a smart buyer out of the purchase seems silly, when the whole basis of anti-smart thinking doesn't hold much weight to the smart buyer. If everyone weighed the same factors in a car purchase, we would have very few options within the various vehicle classes.
#347 of 491 Re: Where can I buy a Smart Car? [snakeweasel] by dennismau Oct 10, 2008 (5:06 pm)
Replying to: snakeweasel (Oct 10, 2008 3:58 am) Before I bought my Smart Car I drove all those cars you mentioned but the Smart car fulfilled my needs better than any of them. It gets better mileage(I'm getting 43-45mpg driving back and forth to work), it's more comfortable with more room, it's more fun to drive, and because of it's really small size it has many advantages in parking and maneuverability that are hard to describe. I ride a motorcycle and the Smart Car approaches the motorcycle in this respect. After having a small car like this I will never get a big car again for a commuter car or around town car.   Dennis
#348 of 491 Re: Where can I buy a Smart Car? [snakeweasel] by plekto Oct 11, 2008 (7:02 am)
Replying to: snakeweasel (Oct 10, 2008 3:58 am) The Aveo IS safer than the Smart according to the authority informedforlife.org.   The problem that they have is that they unfairly bias their results not based upon actual testing but they give it a massive penalty because of weight. They obviously have an axe to grind, because no other site out there uses such a screwed up criteria - at least not that's weighted to the point of overpowering all other concerns.   *** (a) frontal impact fatality risk points (average vehicle = 38, including vehicle weight influence) Net score: 94.3.   So while it actually appears to have scored closer to the average for most cars - about a 35-40 rating, they inflate this by a whopping *50* points because in their minds, it's too light. No scientific data, mind you... just too light.   They also hugely inflate the rollover risk as well, since the entire cabin was specifically designed to act as a roll cage. Mercedes assumed that it would likely roll over in a crash and factored that into the design. But what would the IIHS and ENCAP know about cars compared to informedforlife ?   They give the 2009 MIni Cooper a 53.4 - worse than the Yaris, despite getting virtually identical scores on crash tests AND weighing more. The data isn't jiving with reality.   Yaris - 2377lbs - 37.6 Mini - 2491lbs - 53.5   NHTSA front risk rating is exactly the same for both cars at 13%.   So why the inflation? I smell B.S. here. Doubly so when you compare this:   Yaris 3 door - 2317lbs - 54.5 NHTSA 10% 5/4 stars Yaris 4 door - 2377lbs - 37.6 NHTSA 13% 4/4 stars   Que? Gets better scores and yet gets that many more points for front impact risk?
#349 of 491 smart for two steering by rdrygg Oct 20, 2008 (1:47 pm)
I neglected to order power steering which is an option.Has anyone driven a smart with no power steering, howdoes it handle? Replies to this message: plekto (Oct 20, 2008 2:29 pm) dennismau (Oct 20, 2008 2:29 pm) rdrygg (Oct 22, 2008 5:59 am)
#350 of 491 Re: smart for two steering [rdrygg] by plekto Oct 20, 2008 (2:29 pm)
Replying to: rdrygg (Oct 20, 2008 1:47 pm) IMO, it handles far better. The car is honestly go-kart light on the steering since it's RWD and weighs about as much as a 1950s Bug.
#351 of 491 Re: smart for two steering [rdrygg] by dennismau Oct 20, 2008 (2:29 pm)
Replying to: rdrygg (Oct 20, 2008 1:47 pm) My Smart car does not have power steering. I feel you are better off without it because the car is so light in the front end being rear wheel drive that on the highway especially in a crosswind it is more stabile without power steering. Alot of Smart owners with power steering are even disengaging it for these reasons.   Dennis Replies to this message: rdrygg (Oct 22, 2008 5:59 am)
#352 of 491 Re: smart for two steering [dennismau] by rdrygg Oct 22, 2008 (5:59 am)
Replying to: dennismau (Oct 20, 2008 2:29 pm) wow, thanks everyone for the great info. I wouldn't have known any of that. I am supposed to pick it up this weekend, will take a long test drive if they'll let me!
#353 of 491 Re: Painting body panels [mmm1] by ruebezahl Oct 25, 2008 (10:12 am)
Replying to: mmm1 (Jul 16, 2008 8:31 am) I don't believe it. Bumpers are flexible on regular cars and are painted too. An alternative is to have the smart wrapped.
#354 of 491 Delivery Dates by highrise Nov 04, 2008 (9:01 am)
I reserved my smart in February, 2008 in Dallas, TX and was told that I could expect delivery in 9 to 10 months. That means I should have expected to have it by December 2008. However, the delivery date estimator shows a delvery date of October to December of 2009, a full year later that I was told. I've questioned smartusa and my salesperson about how a 10 month wait turned in to a 22 month wait and I'm basically told "that's the way it is." I'm very frustrated and on the verge of cancelling and buying a Yaris. Is anyone else experiencing an extreme delay in the delivery of their smart?   I really wanted this as a daily driver, but a nearly two year wait is unreasonable. Your thoughts would be appreciated. Replies to this message: gregg_vw (Nov 04, 2008 10:30 am) pf_flyer (Nov 05, 2008 4:23 am) highrise (Nov 05, 2008 7:14 am)
#355 of 491 Re: Delivery Dates [highrise] by gregg_vw Nov 04, 2008 (10:30 am)
Replying to: highrise (Nov 04, 2008 9:01 am) Supply and demand changes. They can only import so many. If you can't wait, you buy something else. You should be aware that Toyota will be marketing the iQ under the Scion brand next year. It provides another tiny, high mileage alternative. Replies to this message: pf_flyer (Nov 05, 2008 4:23 am)

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