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Replying to: priggly (Oct 06, 2008 9:48 pm)  the Aveo is not safer than the smart. The Aveo is an old Daewoo design. It should have at least been offered with side airbags as optional. It does not have good crash ratings.
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Oct 07, 2008 4:59 am) |
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Replying to: priggly (Oct 09, 2008 8:26 pm) The big question is just who is informedforlife.org and what is the basis for their decision? The site uses IIHS (which puts the Smart safer than the Aveo) and NHTSA (which puts the Aveo safer in some aspects and the Smart safer in others) and uses what I would consider a questionable methodology to come to some conclusions. In short I wouldn't take what they say to seriously. Why anyone would prefer it to a, say, Chevy Aveo or Honda Fit or Nissan Versa or similar real car, is simply beyond me. Well first off the Smart is a real car, secondly as a second commuter type car it is better than the Aveo, Fit, Versa or any other car simply due to its low cost and much better gas mileage (Smart 33 city vs 33 highway for the other cars). Plus its rather fun to drive, have you driven one?
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Replying to: priggly (Oct 09, 2008 8:26 pm) |
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Oct 10, 2008 3:58 am) Dennis |
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Replying to: snakeweasel (Oct 10, 2008 3:58 am) The problem that they have is that they unfairly bias their results not based upon actual testing but they give it a massive penalty because of weight. They obviously have an axe to grind, because no other site out there uses such a screwed up criteria - at least not that's weighted to the point of overpowering all other concerns. *** (a) frontal impact fatality risk points (average vehicle = 38, including vehicle weight influence) Net score: 94.3. So while it actually appears to have scored closer to the average for most cars - about a 35-40 rating, they inflate this by a whopping *50* points because in their minds, it's too light. No scientific data, mind you... just too light. They also hugely inflate the rollover risk as well, since the entire cabin was specifically designed to act as a roll cage. Mercedes assumed that it would likely roll over in a crash and factored that into the design. But what would the IIHS and ENCAP know about cars compared to informedforlife ? They give the 2009 MIni Cooper a 53.4 - worse than the Yaris, despite getting virtually identical scores on crash tests AND weighing more. The data isn't jiving with reality. Yaris - 2377lbs - 37.6 Mini - 2491lbs - 53.5 NHTSA front risk rating is exactly the same for both cars at 13%. So why the inflation? I smell B.S. here. Doubly so when you compare this: Yaris 3 door - 2317lbs - 54.5 NHTSA 10% 5/4 stars Yaris 4 door - 2377lbs - 37.6 NHTSA 13% 4/4 stars Que? Gets better scores and yet gets that many more points for front impact risk? 
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I neglected to order power steering which is an option.Has anyone driven a smart with no power steering, howdoes it handle?
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Replying to: rdrygg (Oct 20, 2008 1:47 pm) |
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Replying to: rdrygg (Oct 20, 2008 1:47 pm) Dennis
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Replying to: dennismau (Oct 20, 2008 2:29 pm) |
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