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Re: Anyone Paying List Price? [gregg_vw]
by priggly
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Sep 03, 2008 (9:42 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Sep 03, 2008 9:25 am)
People have a right to know the truth about the "Smart." Wouldn't you love to suppress every negative article about it, such as the one reported by dmathews3 in post #315?
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Re: Anyone Paying List Price? [priggly]
by dmathews3
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Sep 03, 2008 (10:12 am)
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Replying to: priggly (Sep 03, 2008 9:42 am)
Why me, because I spoke the truth. I dug out the aricle in my Lansing State Journal Business Weekly section on Labor Day. This article was written by Mark Phelan of the Detroit Free Press. Headline is "Smart Fortwo fashionable but flawed. He compares it to the Aveo, Fit, Versa, Scion XB or the Mini Cooper. He states they are all superior to vastly superior. They have more room, power better rides and higher quality. Interior cheap materials like nubby fabric on doors, poor fitted carpet & floor mats plus cupholders to small to hold a large capuccino securely. Latch on rear window broke and couldn't be closed. Poor shift quality, engine vibration annoying and on an on. I suggest you find the article and read it yourself as it sure didn't do them any good. Reminds me of the Yugo roadtests of old. And we all know how long those things lasted.
Here is the article http://tinyurl.com/6dcjyb
  
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Re: Anyone Paying List Price? [dmathews3]
by priggly
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Sep 03, 2008 (10:32 am)
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Replying to: dmathews3 (Sep 03, 2008 10:12 am)
dmathews3, thanks for your input and link to the illuminating and profoundly negative article.
There is one factor that the article did not mention: the Smart is a more dangerous vehicle than any of the far better quality competitors to which it was compared. ALL of them score better on the informedforlife.org safety analyses.
As the article says, and I quote, "If you want good value and quality in a small, fuel-efficient car, buy a Chevrolet Aveo, Honda Fit, Mini Cooper, Nissan Versa or Scion xB. If you want cute, adopt a puppy."
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Re: Anyone Paying List Price? [priggly]
by dmathews3
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Sep 03, 2008 (10:35 am)
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Replying to: priggly (Sep 03, 2008 10:32 am)
My wife just spent 25K on a new kitchen so maybe I would take the Smart over the puppy in this case. 
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Re: Anyone Paying List Price? [dmathews3]
by priggly
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Sep 03, 2008 (10:37 am)
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Replying to: dmathews3 (Sep 03, 2008 10:35 am)
You might want to re-think that. The puppy can be housebroken, the Smart cannot!
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- #327 of 491
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Re: Anyone Paying List Price? [priggly]
by gregg_vw
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Sep 03, 2008 (10:37 am)
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Replying to: priggly (Sep 03, 2008 9:42 am)
People have a right to know the truth about the "Smart." Wouldn't you love to suppress every negative article about it, such as the one reported by dmathews3 in post #315? Of course people have a right to know, and every bias and slant can be heard for all I care. But you come back and come back to a forum where you are hostile to anyone that finds a reason to like the car or want to buy it.
There is reason to wonder when someone becomes a fanatical naysayer in a forum where others are coming to share their experiences, ask questions, or explain why a model might satisfy their particular needs. Sounding your warning once or twice or three times even I can see. But you have nothing new to say that you haven't said before, and you aren't persuaded by any of the reasons that people who own the car chose it, Why should you be surprised when people aren't persuaded by your postings? You have almost no experience with the car, but you have sure have taken it on as a crusade regardless.
Everyone measures different things. For every negative article (and I have read several) there is another that approves the little beast. I considered the smart and rejected it, but friends bought smarts and couldn't be happier with their purchases. It still has higher safety ratings than the littlest Kia or Hyndai or Aveo, and I'd much rather be in an accident in a smart than on a scooter or motorcycle. But that's just me.
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Re: Anyone Paying List Price? [priggly]
by gregg_vw
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Sep 03, 2008 (10:41 am)
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Replying to: priggly (Sep 03, 2008 10:37 am)
You might want to re-think that. The puppy can be housebroken, the Smart cannot! Ok, your stature has grown with me...you have a sense of humor. 
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Re: Anyone Paying List Price? [gregg_vw]
by swtnlovabl
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Sep 03, 2008 (11:38 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Sep 03, 2008 10:37 am)
Ok U guys are talking about the smart cars being manufactured for the USA, So maybe ur right on the safety , all Im saying is that mine is NOT made for the USA it is the european model and was imported has a mercedes engine and it gets VERY GOOD SAFETY RATINGS !!! 
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- #330 of 491
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Re: Anyone Paying List Price? [gregg_vw]
by dakota29803
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Sep 05, 2008 (5:35 am)
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Replying to: gregg_vw (Sep 03, 2008 10:37 am)
For safety evaluations from a group that has credentials that count, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety, see this link:
http://www.iihs.org/news/rss/pr051408.html
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Re: Anyone Paying List Price? [dakota29803]
by gregg_vw
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Sep 05, 2008 (6:24 am)
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Replying to: dakota29803 (Sep 05, 2008 5:35 am)
It's been made about as safe as a car that small and inexpensive can be with current technology. Today, going to work, I passed someone driving an old Beetle (pre-1998). Now there was a popular small car that is indisputably a greater "death trap" than any smart. Got to thinking about all the cars on the road yet which have no airbags (or only one) and no safety cage engineering per se. They are more common than motorcycles and scooters.
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